So these days greatness is related to steroids?

[Bernie Madoff]

Yes it is.

Mosley=Roids
A.Rod=Roids
McGuire=Roids
Sosa=Roids
Merriman=Roids
Lance Armstrong=Roids


Face it, at the highest levels, people keep getting caught using them.

Why should Packy be exempt?

Top home run hitters: Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, A-Rod, Manny ... all roids

MLB MVP's: Caminiti, A-Rod, Giambi, Bonds, Bagwell...all roids

Great starting pitchers: Clemens, Pettite...roids

Top relievers: Gagne, Rocker... roids

100M recordholder: Tim Montgomery...roids

Best female sprinter: Marion jones....roids

Boxers who move up in weight: Holyfield, Mosley, Jones, Toney, Pazienza, etc... roids


I'm NOT NOT NOT saying that Pacman is on roids. But you must understand that every time (recently) we see something that has looked great and has been a terrific story, it has come back to bite us. That is why so many people are either skeptical or quietly whispering about Pac.

People whisper about Albert Pujols also.

[Benny Leonard]

Like one poster said, if Pac was black, people wouldn't be saying he's on steroids.

Except people did rip Holyfield for both speculation of his Steroid/HGH/PEDs use as well as his Character with regards to his religious beliefs and his hypocrisy. Even Black people.




But there are phenoms out there that are amazing without steroids. Just freaks of Nature.