So AFTER the COTTO FIGHT.. if MAYWEATHER were to beat PACMAN....???

[sycomantz]

Oh...well see, if there was ever a definition for Hater that'd be it lol...Honestly if Mayweather beats Pacquiao that would cement his legendary status and vice versa in my opinion...

he would. but alot of the tools on this site would say otherwise.

they hate may b/c hes brash and great,they like pac better b/c hes humble...who cares, both are irrelevant

there is nothing floyd can do that will satisfy the haters, except LOSE.

but their opinions wont matter.

thats why you see them saying "pac will beat may" but even after the win, they are now coming up with excuses. excuses that are so bad, they say floyd doesnt deserve a fight with pac.when Cotto and Pac were fighting for a shot at Floyd. but they now say floyd doesnt deserve a shot but pac should go fight foreman, hahaha WTF?

all they are really saying is, they dont want pac to get in tthe ring with May, and may make him look like an amatuer since its going to make pacs recent triumphs look lame

they have even stooped to saying, Cotto would have beat Floyd to play up pacs wins over cotto evenmore, they obviously arent satisfied with pac did

they are pathetic

[Killa_Kali]

the only way floyd can win is via SD.

the flipside is him being hauled off in an ambulance.

i wonder. will his corner throw in the towel ala barrera, quit on his stool like dlh, say no mas like morales, get dumped on his back like hatton, or be saved by the ref like cotto?

[sycomantz]

the only way floyd can win is via SD.

the flipside is him being hauled off in an ambulance.

i wonder. will his corner throw in the towel ala barrera, quit on his stool like dlh, say no mas like morales, get dumped on his back like hatton, or be saved by the ref like cotto?

yeah, time to come back from fantasy land

[1nonlymre]

no..no matter who floyd beats there will be an excuse not to give him credt.....after he beats pacman the main excuse will be "pacman was to small"..

Here's my take on this. And yes, I know I have few posts.

Boxing, by definition, changes from person to person. Additionally, there tends to be more weight placed on a particular style of boxing.

All in all it would appear that most people, including myself and many others on these forums...AND boxing analysts in general, tend to lean towards a style of boxing that is offense-minded.

For ****s and giggles, let's take the Mayweather-Hatton fight and the Pacquiao-Cotto fight as extreme opposites to demonstrate my point.

Mayweather clearly outboxed Hatton using excellent defensive tactics, where he put effective offense second (counter-punching). The end result was a fairly one-sided outcome that had Hatton counting stars. The opponent was systematically broken down using a defense/offense style. It was defense first with offense following soon afterwards.

Pacquiao fought the opposite way against Cotto. He was offense first, defense second. He also systematically broke down his opponent over the course of the fight, but did it with offense first and defense following suit. Fast/hard punches being his tour de force.

Both won impressively, but under different circumstances. Defense/offense (Mayweather) vs. offense/defense (Pacquiao).

Your average viewer, fight fan, analyst, will apparently put more weight on a win that comes from the offense/defense style. That's just the way it is.

With that type of thinking, it's not too much of a wonder that Floyd will get little credit (weight) for his wins when he consistently wins in a defensive/offensive fashion.

Honestly, did you ever hear people complain about Tyson knocking out another opponent...AGAIN!

I will say this, though...from a style perspective, i believe Floyd fought more in the offense/defense style for the Marquez fight. I gave him props for that. Unfortunately that win, outside of the style shift, carries little weight. I believe any top tier welterweight could have beaten Marquez that night, but none could have done it as easily with Floyd's style. And that's about as much props as you'll get from me for that win.

As for the match-up w/ Pacquiao and the possibility for respect? I believe Floyd has to at least hurt Pacquiao and put him in deep water. A win on defense/offense will not be enough, I don't think. If he fights more like he did against Marquez then he will garner more respect. He can statistically win the fight, but he cannot statistically win respect if he only taps his punches and moves.

And that's the thing...right now Pacquiao shows excellent ring generalship against his opponents and commands the style of the fight. Add to that fast, hard combinations that do damage and you have someone the public respects.

In this matchup, Floyd needs to turn that table so he is the person with the better ring generalship, has a style that commands the fight, and connect with combinations that are strong enough to hurt pacquiao.

If Floyd can do this, then Floyd haters or critics have no real choice but to concede to the guy for a great fight, just like many Pacquiao doubters conceded to his great performance last 14th of November.

[Killa_Kali]

yeah, time to come back from fantasy land

nawww... give us sig-worthy stuff again.

[Killa_Kali]

Here's my take on this. And yes, I know I have few posts.

Boxing, by definition, changes from person to person. Additionally, there tends to be more weight placed on a particular style of boxing.

All in all it would appear that most people, including myself and many others on these forums...AND boxing analysts in general, tend to lean towards a style of boxing that is offense-minded.

For ****s and giggles, let's take the Mayweather-Hatton fight and the Pacquiao-Cotto fight as extreme opposites to demonstrate my point.

Mayweather clearly outboxed Hatton using excellent defensive tactics, where he put effective offense second (counter-punching). The end result was a fairly one-sided outcome that had Hatton counting stars. The opponent was systematically broken down using a defense/offense style. It was defense first with offense following soon afterwards.

Pacquiao fought the opposite way against Cotto. He was offense first, defense second. He also systematically broke down his opponent over the course of the fight, but did it with offense first and defense following suite. Fast/hard punches being his tour de force.

Both won impressively, but under different circumstances. Defense/offense (Mayweather) vs. offense/defense (Pacquiao).

Your average viewer, fight fan, analyst, will apparently put more weight on a win that comes from the offense/defense style. That's just the way it is.

With that type of thinking, it's not too much of a wonder that Floyd will get little credit (weight) for his wins when he consistently wins in a defensive/offensive fashion.

Honestly, did you ever hear people complain about Tyson knocking out another opponent...AGAIN!

I will say this, though...from a style perspective, i believe Floyd fought more in the offense/defense style for the Marquez fight. I gave him props for that. Unfortunately that win, outside of the style shift, carries little weight. I believe any top tier welterweight could have beaten Marquez that night, but none could have done it as easily with Floyd's style. And that's about as much props as you'll get from me for that win.

As for the match-up w/ Pacquiao and the possibility for respect? I believe Floyd has to at least hurt Pacquiao and put him in deep water. A win on defense/offense will not be enough, I don't think. If he fights more like he did against Marquez then he will garner more respect. He can statistically win the fight, but he cannot statistically win respect if he only taps his punches and moves.

And that's the thing...right now Pacquiao shows excellent ring generalship against his opponents and commands the style of the fight. Add to that fast, hard combinations that do damage and you have someone the public respects.

In this matchup, Floyd needs to turn that table so he is the person with the better ring generalship, has a style that commands the fight, and connect with combinations that are strong enough to hurt pacquiao.

If Floyd can do this, then Floyd haters or critics have no real choice but to concede to the guy for a great fight, just like many Pacquiao doubters conceded to his great performance last 14th of November.

jeez. too long. lemme sum it up for you.

floyd on his bike.

[dans]

Floyd will never get full respect.

If he beats Manny it will be "Manny was too small" or "Floyd just outboxed him".

Then if he continued on and beat Mosley, "Mosley was old"

[1nonlymre]

jeez. too long. lemme sum it up for you.

floyd on his bike.

yeah....

even quicker...

(floyd+bike) = win = little more respect

If you want to know why, read my previous post.

[Mr. Chago]

no..no matter who floyd beats there will be an excuse not to give him credt.....after he beats pacman the main excuse will be "pacman was to small"..

There can't be any excuses after PAC beating Cotto, being the WW champion and considered an ATG...

If PBF wins he will get credit...and still he will continue fighting and proving it to other WW's, maybe unification if he wins over PAC

[daggum]

It seems like everyone is supporting Pacman more than they supported baldomir*(before the fight)* More than hatton *(before the fight)* More than Oscar *(before the fight)* and so on...

So will he get the respect if he beats pacman?

SD?

UD? (horrible picking apart)


Maybe even K.O.?


Just wanted to know what happens if floyd wins.. will it then be shane?Berto?Cotto?Margarito?

Not sure because it seems like we've all been down this "THIS IS THE GUY" road before right?

I personally think it would be floyds toughest fight ever after castillo and hernandez/oscar.

are you trying to tell me baldomir has supporters? other than his family that rides around in the rv? they bet on mayweather btw.