Pacquiao is a top 5 ATG.

[thriller91]

pacquio is not even in the top 10.....ali, sugar ray, roberto duran, henry armstrong, lennox lewis, holyfield, ray leonard, cesar chavez, joe louis, marciano, foreman, pacquiao has a long way to go...

[S A M U R A I]

From beating Cotto? Wrong...

For his entire body of work -- mainly, the opposition he faces, the weight class leaping like it means nothing, the way he beats people down like they never got beat down before. Nobody gets classed as an ATG for a single win.



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[baracuda]

pacquio is not even in the top 10.....ali, sugar ray, roberto duran, henry armstrong, lennox lewis, holyfield, ray leonard, cesar chavez, joe louis, marciano, foreman, pacquiao has a long way to go...

any of them guys a 7div champion?...lol

[S A M U R A I]

pacquio is not even in the top 10.....ali, sugar ray, roberto duran, henry armstrong, lennox lewis, holyfield, ray leonard, cesar chavez, joe louis, marciano, foreman, pacquiao has a long way to go...

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[-EX-]

For his entire body of work -- mainly, the opposition he faces, the weight class leaping like it means nothing, the way he beats people down like they never got beat down before. Nobody gets classed as an ATG for a single win.

Not top 5...or top 10...

[S A M U R A I]

Not top 5...or top 10...

Depends on who you talk to. Arum says he's better than anyone he's ever seen, and sure, this is a promoter speaking, but you don't talk **** like that unless you mean it because it could backfire in your face. Arum has him above Ali, Leonard, and Hagler. Cotto says he's one of the greatest ever, and certainly the best he's ever fought. It's largely down to opinion anyway, just like P4P lists. If you don't appreciate him, fine, but many place him very high among the greats.

The best thing? Manny himself says he would not like to put himself into that category, it's for others to decide. That's real humility and the kind of attitude that wins fans because it's like nothing ever seen in boxing.

Floyd? He thinks he's better than Ray Robinson. Why? Because he's undefeated and "they had losses".

The difference in personalities is striking.



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Depends on who you talk to. Arum says he's better than anyone he's ever seen, and sure, this is a promoter speaking, but you don't talk **** like that unless you mean it because it could backfire in your face. Arum has him above Ali, Leonard, and Hagler. Cotto says he's one of the greatest ever, and certainly the best he's ever fought. It's largely down to opinion anyway, just like P4P lists. If you don't appreciate him, fine, but many place him very high among the greats.

Arum also had Floyd above Duran, Leonard, Hagler, etc. before he fought Judah...

And then Arum said Margarito would beat him up, and Floyd was scared...

Arum's just promoting...

I never said he wan't an ATG...I just don't think he's in the top 10...I'd have him top 15-20 at the highest...

[Shadows]

Pacquiao is an ATG, but I like to wait until a fighter's career is done to fully figure out where they place.

Right now, IMO, he's around 25. Should he beat Floyd, he could shoot up greatly.

[MR. V]

Top 25 sure.. 5 is a bit too much i think a win over Floyd could secure that tho!

u kidding me? he's top 10 easy. he can also be top 5 arguably. if he beats floyd he' mos. def. top 3 if not the greatest ever. this coming from somebody who still isn't pac-man. what i witnessed yesterday still feels like a dream even now.

[MR. V]

Floyd? He thinks he's better than Ray Robinson. Why? Because he's undefeated and "they had losses".

The difference in personalities is striking.

yea, i know. that **** still makes me laugh uncontrollably every time i hear it.