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Dude, Pryor took out Alexis Arguello. The man is in the hall of fame and was not old and worn when Pryor beat him. I cant understand the comment of overrated either.............Rockin'Comment
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True, Arguello was still a very formidable opponent when Pryor stepped into the ring with him, and was even ranked very highly in the p4p rankings (along with being a 2 to 1 favourite to beat Pryor). But it's comments like these that make me think Pryor was overated; "Leonard ducked Pryor" or "Pryor was the closest thing to Henry Armstrong" or "Pryor would beat Hearns like he did in the amatuers".Originally posted by Rockin1
First off, why on earth would Leonard be scared of Aaron Pryor, when he showed no qualms about getting into the ring with the much more dangerous and ALOT more highly regarded, Thomas Hearns? When Leonard faced Hearns, he was not only facing a fighter who showed very impressive skill and knockout POWER, but who was also thought of as the number one p4p fighter in the sport (Aug 1981 poll of boxing experts listed Hearns at the very top). Of course, Leonard suffered a detached retina in that fight (or was it in training for the Finch fight), which forced him to retire for the first time. Now, at the time Leonard retired, Pryor wasn't even thought of as much of a threat to a former featherweight (hence the odds on that fight), and that retirement was announced about a week before the first Pryor/Arguello fight (the public most wanted a Hagler/Leonard fight or at least Leonard/Hearns rematch)...Pryor called out a recently retired man after that first fight with the 'Thin Man', and before that Aaron was NOT considered one of the best fighters, nor was he financially rewarding fight for Leonard. Leonard had bigger fish to fry, as evident by his later challenge of Hagler!
Besides some style similiarities between Pryor and Henry Armstrong, where's the comparision? In his career, Henry Armstrong won at least a dozen fights against HOF'ers and won titles in three of the original eight weight divisions (of course, at the same time). And I believe he still holds the record for most title defenses in welterweight history, does he not?
Pryor? Three wins over HOF'ers and a reign at one of these JR. divisions. Like I said, even though he wasn't at his best weight, Arguello is a nice notch to have on anybody's record. But Cervantes was definately on his last legs when he entered the ring against Pryor, and in one of his last title defenses, looked very, very un-Cervantes-like against the Korean novice, who could've very well been given the decision in that fight with 'Kid Pambele'. The Cervantes that Pryor beat was a HOF'er in name only, and was no where near the fighter he was earlier in his career.
So Pryor beat Arguello, so what? So did Vilomar Fernandez, who beat a younger version of Arguello who was also closer to his prime fighting weight.
And Pryor beating Hearns as an amatuer is MEANINGLESS in discussing how they'd do against each other as pros. That fight was a 20 year-old man facing and beating a very skinny 16 or 17 year old boy. I suppose if we give that victory by Pryor weight, we should do the same with Henry Tillman's victory over a teenager by the name of Mike Tyson...Oh wait.
Listen, Aaron Pryor was a very good fighter (maybe even great), who was very exciting to watch. And his first fight with Arguello is always going to be amongst my favourite fights to watch. But an all-time great? I don't see it. Especially when I grew up watching the guy's career unfold in real time, and at that time, he wasn't nearly held in as high regard as some of the other great fighters of that era (Leonard, Hearns, Duran, Hagler etc.). But it seems revisionists wants to proclaim him on that level because he was tremendously exciting and had an all-time classic fight or two.Comment
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Pryor was a very exciting fighter. We will never know how great he could have been becuase he couldn't stay clean. The accusations of Leonard ducking Pryor are untrue. Pryor tried to egg Leonard into a fight by showing up at press conferences and moving his mouth. The facts are that Leonard had bigger fish to fry for more dollars. To say that a man who faced Benitez,Hearns,Duran and Hagler was afraid of little Pryor is absurd in my opinion. At Welterweight, Leonard would have been too much of everything for The Hawk.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching Pryor and still can't figure what they put in his chin (or is that in his nose?) that enabled him to take those right hands from Alexis.Comment
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Oh, great!
I was chosen (in a negative way, I assume) as the "Quote of the Week" by some kid whose 20+ years younger than me, and all because I don't bow down and give all-time honours to one of his pre-birth boxing heroes, who he's probably only seen on a couple of occasions (IF that).
Yay!
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NOBODY? Are you sure about that?Originally posted by Runw/knives
Well for one, I have a prime version of Ike Williams beating the **** out of a prime Aaron Pryor, whether it be at 135 (seeing as Pryor was always thought of as a natural lightweight) or 140.
Shall we discuss?Comment
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great boxer, had chin, power and stamina to be the greatest no doubt. but when he faught arguello and his trainer let him drink from a "black bottle" what do you guys think it was?. even though he beat arguello worse rematch without bottle i still think its something in that bottle.Comment
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Everybody has an opinion on what they "think" was in that bottle, but nobody truly knows for sure. But the comment made by P. Lewis ("The one I mixed"), plus Lewis' other shady actions (removing Luis Resto's padding against Billy Collins), and the way Pryor seemed to come out for the next round like he had a ****ing fire under his ass, does make one very su****ious of some kind of stimulant being taken by Pryor in that fight.Originally posted by kaperskyComment
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yeah it must be some kind of stimulant, if it was what can it was?.Originally posted by YogiComment
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once i read pryor want to fight ray mancini and be the first boxer to win him.but arguello dit it. that fact deeply depressed pryor and he burst into tears.he wanna to be appreciated as his were. i like pryor.
his natural offence&defence is just genious one.wanted to realize vs,leonare,hearnd and mancini.Comment
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