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Erdei Vacates: Ding-Dong, the Lineage Argument is Dead
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostIn Alvarez's case, he has maintained his hold on the Ring title which is basically owned by his promoter; it's a foot in the division.
In Erdei's, he vacated, moved up, won another belt, and then opted to return. He wasn't forced to vacate, indicating an exit from the class and,
unlike Alvarez, there hasn't been a lip service about coming back to fight the top dog in class.
It's not inconsistent.
In any case, it's a very, very weak argument IMO. Saying that you have an 'intent to return' is enough. This opens a door for someone keeping a lineal title hostage for years and years. You would have a much stronger argument, if you said that the title has to be defended inside a certain timeframe say 12 or 18 months.
It's a different case. Alvarez also defended less than a year ago (even if it was Khan).
I wrote a lengthy piece on this last year actually as concerns 175: http://www.boxingscene.com/end-line-...dendum--109582
Feel free to recognize Ward per the above.
Erdei moved up, Canelo Down
Canelo gave lip service, Erdei didn't (at least not known).
Cliff you know I respect you very much and I have thoroughly enjoyed your Work over the years. I think your argument here is weak and faulty though. It doesn't take away from my admiration of your other Work.
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Originally posted by BattlingNelson View PostAnd is to be dismissed straight of the bat. His promotor has major Financial interests involved so it's hardly suprising that that a Company paper writes the story the Company wants to tell.
Precisely the same as Canelo albeit he moved Down and not up. And we do not know if Canelo actually do moves up to 160. He might as well moved to 168. Point being that nobody knows.
So this is the the telling blow. The above is the key keeping Canelo as lineal champ. "He says he wants to fight the no. 1 at 160'.
I don't know if Erdei gave 'lip service' to any german or hungarian outlet, and I suspect neither do you?
In any case, it's a very, very weak argument IMO. Saying that you have an 'intent to return' is enough. This opens a door for someone keeping a lineal title hostage for years and years. You would have a much stronger argument, if you said that the title has to be defended inside a certain timeframe say 12 or 18 months.
Differences:
Erdei moved up, Canelo Down
Canelo gave lip service, Erdei didn't (at least not known).
Cliff you know I respect you very much and I have thoroughly enjoyed your Work over the years. I think your argument here is weak and faulty though. It doesn't take away from my admiration of your other Work.
And no need to preface disagreeing with me. It's all good.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostThere was a key difference. Canelo gave up the WBC belt under pressure to make a mandatory; Erdei vacated without similar heat. He could easily have moved up for a fight and then decided. I tend to error on the side of protecting the lineage. If Alvarez hasn't returned to middleweight this year, trust me, it will be revisited.
And no need to preface disagreeing with me. It's all good.
1: Tell the World (or at least the anglon part of it), that you have intent to move back and fight the top guy.
2: If there is a perception that the particular alphabet organization puts pressure on the champion to make a mandatory defence, you can keep the title even though you leave the division.
Now that is pretty weak IMO. No.1 I dealt with earlier. No 2 is possibly worse. Canelo didn't leave because of pressure. He left because of weight. He said (the utter ridiculous Words of) being unable to move above the 155 lb division so he moved Down to the divsion a Pound below. Come on Cliff. Canelo left the MW's indefinetely.
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Originally posted by crold1 View PostThere was a key difference. Canelo gave up the WBC belt under pressure to make a mandatory; Erdei vacated without similar heat. He could easily have moved up for a fight and then decided. I tend to error on the side of protecting the lineage. If Alvarez hasn't returned to middleweight this year, trust me, it will be revisited.
And no need to preface disagreeing with me. It's all good.
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