Is "the sweet science" another word for American style and thus biased?

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  • Spray_resistant
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    Is "the sweet science" another word for American style and thus biased?

    I always here ppl crediting the most technically skilled boxers as masters of the sweet science. Fighters like James Toney, Mayweather, Ali, all of whom are American boxers. Its seems most, at least on his forum view this term "the sweets science" as the technique superior to all other but is the term just another word or American style boxing?......are these fighters and others like them more skilled technically than lets say Joe Calzaghe or Arthur Abraham for example? Even fighters from other places like in Mexico have a more aggressive style and are deemed as sloppy and unskilled but what they do does take practice and is an art in itself.........so is using the term "sweet science" just a glorification of American style boxing and extremely biased and arrogant? There are other fighters like Wladimir Klitschko for example who hits and doesn't get hit but I don't ever here him referred to as a master of the sweet science. If he was American would he be referred to this way more often? I think so. I also think the term and the prestige the sweet science gets is a nationalistic attitude and Americans tend to think this style is the best when others from all around the world have styles that are just as effective at gaining the W in the ring. If this is true then there is no one "sweet science" that can be formulated in the ring to get always get the job done.....thoughts, opinions?
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    #2
    I always thought that boxing in general WAS "the sweet science"

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    • Eric Holder
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      #3
      yeah it's a biased term, for whatever reason people assume that mastering the sweet science or being a "pure boxer" is synonymous with cautious defensive minded fighting

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        #4
        Originally posted by El Cabron
        yeah it's a biased term, for whatever reason people assume that mastering the sweet science or being a "pure boxer" is synonymous with cautious defensive minded fighting
        I mean so called unskilled brawler beat skilled boxers all of the time, look at Saturday how Angulo smashed pure boxer Yorgey but later Dawson outpointed pressure fighter Johnson....its not a matter of better its how you apply what you do.....all methods are equal in my view.

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        • Bobby_Manila
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          #5
          Originally posted by Spray_resistant
          I always here ppl crediting the most technically skilled boxers as masters of the sweet science. Fighters like James Toney, Mayweather, Ali, all of whom are American boxers. Its seems most, at least on his forum view this term "the sweets science" as the technique superior to all other but is the term just another word or American style boxing?......are these fighters and others like them more skilled technically than lets say Joe Calzaghe or Arthur Abraham for example? Even fighters from other places like in Mexico have a more aggressive style and are deemed as sloppy and unskilled but what they do does take practice and is an art in itself.........so is using the term "sweet science" just a glorification of American style boxing and extremely biased and arrogant? There are other fighters like Wladimir Klitschko for example who hits and doesn't get hit but I don't ever here him referred to as a master of the sweet science. If he was American would he be referred to this way more often? I think so. I also think the term and the prestige the sweet science gets is a nationalistic attitude and Americans tend to think this style is the best when others from all around the world have styles that are just as effective at gaining the W in the ring.....thoughts, opinions?
          Yes, it is a biased term. In Tecate fights they say ¨Vamos a ver quien es el más macho¨, or, more or less, let´s see who is more MAN. Hardly a call for ¨sweet science¨, ¨SUGAR XYZ¨ boxing. More like Chávez stalking someone in a bloody battle kind of boxing.

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          • baracuda
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            #6
            sort of ..... like the term slick....seems like only american fighters are the ones you can call that....to me, its just a fancy name for the sport....

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            • DLT
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              #7
              Originally posted by Spray_resistant
              I always here ppl crediting the most technically skilled boxers as masters of the sweet science. Fighters like James Toney, Mayweather, Ali, all of whom are American boxers. Its seems most, at least on his forum view this term "the sweets science" as the technique superior to all other but is the term just another word or American style boxing?......are these fighters and others like them more skilled technically than lets say Joe Calzaghe or Arthur Abraham for example? Even fighters from other places like in Mexico have a more aggressive style and are deemed as sloppy and unskilled but what they do does take practice and is an art in itself.........so is using the term "sweet science" just a glorification of American style boxing and extremely biased and arrogant? There are other fighters like Wladimir Klitschko for example who hits and doesn't get hit but I don't ever here him referred to as a master of the sweet science. If he was American would he be referred to this way more often? I think so. I also think the term and the prestige the sweet science gets is a nationalistic attitude and Americans tend to think this style is the best when others from all around the world have styles that are just as effective at gaining the W in the ring.....thoughts, opinions?
              I didnt read all of what you wrote but I think you have it backwards. I think most american guys who are pure boxers get ripped non stop for being boring while the media hypes up brawlers and foreigners for the most part

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                #8
                Originally posted by DLT
                I didnt read all of what you wrote but I think you have it backwards. I think most american guys who are pure boxers get ripped non stop for being boring while the media hypes up brawlers and foreigners for the most part
                Coming from a guy who makes threads 5 times as long as this one thats pretty bad(lol) I am not saying that anyone rips on anyone, ppl do but its not the point here. I am saying that the sweet science is glorified as the best because its another word for American style boxing and naturally we think are way is right and thus our fighters are always the best.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DLT
                  I didnt read all of what you wrote but I think you have it backwards. I think most american guys who are pure boxers get ripped non stop for being boring while the media hypes up brawlers and foreigners for the most part

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