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Im not a Haye fanboy but i felt compelled to do this.
American's are not that! biased imo, but they do get propagandered like a herd of Lemmings by their own media, anyone who watched that Holyfield vs Valuev fight knows that Holyfield did not win that fight clearly!! like the American commentators were making out, he won imo but not clearly.
There was not much difference in what Haye did to what Holyfield did, yet it seems American fans only get coerced get into believing what their own! media tells them, its quite pathetic TBH. I keep hearing that Haye cant win a fight throwing that many punches and" running", yet the same people seem to forget that Holyfield was also "running" and had an extremely low punch output also, that might have something to do with why it was one of the most boring fights ive seen in recent times, infact its hard to distinguish which fight was more boring out of Haye, Holyfield vs Valuev.
Here are some unofficial punch stats from Holyfield vs Valuev, not my post BTW.
I've just finished watching this fight twice in a row. Where's my damn cookie?
The broadcast didn't put stats up at the end, and Compubox wasn't covering it. I'd like them to take a look at the tape sometime but don't know how to contact them. So here's my bash at it.
I've done my own punch counts for several years now, so I don't think I'll be too far off. For a 12 round fight, gimme a margin of error of about +/- ten punches at most. Usually I'm within single figures.
If anyone else feels like doing their own count, feel free. Just don't blame me if you end up a gibbering insane wreck from the boredom.
For reference, my card was 116-112 Holyfield.
------HOLY VALUEV------
1st ~ 11/18 8/39
2nd ~ 8/14 4/21
3rd ~ 6/12 6/25
4th ~ 6/14 9/32
5th ~ 7/19 8/26
6th ~ 9/15 13/46
7th ~ 8/11 10/33
8th ~ 10/22 19/44
9th ~ 8/18 13/34
10th ~ 7/17 12/38
11th ~ 8/19 9/36
12th ~ 4/10 17/47
Holyfield
Jabs - 30/56 (54%)
Power - 62/133 (47%)
Total - 92/189 (49%)
Average - 8/16 (!) per round
Valuev
Jabs - 81/303 (27%)
Power - 47/118 (40%)
Total - 128/421 (30%)
Average - 11/35 per round
Holyfield with more big punches thrown and landed, Valuev with more jabbing. Holyfield's ridiculously low punch output did have the benefit of making him much more accurate than Valuev.
Most of Valuev's landed jabs were to Holyfield's chest and midriff. Valuev's head jabs were usually either pushed aside with Holyfield's open glove, or way too short.
My card for Haye.
1 Haye
Haye landed a few jabs to the belly and a right hook behind the elbow, Valuev
missed most of the jabs he attempted.
2 Haye
He landed the two best punches of the round, a right hand and
a left hook right hand, Valuev landed to the chest with the jab but not enough imo.
3 Haye
Haye clearly landed the cleaner punches.
4 Valuev
Valuev was more active, he landed with left hook whilst haye was pulling
out, he also landed short right, he used the jab consistently, hayes combos
missed for the most part.
5 Haye
Close round where Haye landed jabs to the belly, Valuev also landed
jabs to the chest but in the middle of round Haye scored a combo,
Valuev landed a combo towards the end to even it up again, but Haye landed
a clipping shot right at the end to take the round imo, close though.
6 Valuev
Valuev did better here, he landed the jab throughout the round to body and head, he
also landed a nice left hook early, he landed some liver shots to. Haye landed one
clean left hook but a lot of his raids were blocked.
7 Valuev
Hardest round to score so far, Haye landed some shots but was way too
inactive, Valuev landed some jabs and countered haye's right had counter
once in the round, he also landed jabs to the body and head, Haye tried a combo
at the end but virtually missed all.
8 Haye
Very inactive round for both, that said Haye closed it out with the
cleaner shots in the last min or so.
9 Haye
Haye landed 3 clean right hands here.
10 Haye
Haye landed the cleaner work for me, he landed an inside left hook, right
hook to the body and another cuffing right hand toward the end, Watt & Dark scored
it for valuev, but i dont know why.
11 Valuev
I thought Haye was too inactive here, meanwhile Valuev was not that effective
either but he was consistent and i was looking for a sympathy round for him anyway.
12 Haye
He landed the cleaner shots and wobbled Valuev, Valuev caught him on
the tail end of a left hook but that is the only punch i can remember him
landing.
The best!! Valuev could of got was a draw, that would of been kind to him. The least Haye could of got
was a draw, he won the fight clearly on clean punches landed.
American's are not that! biased imo, but they do get propagandered like a herd of Lemmings by their own media, anyone who watched that Holyfield vs Valuev fight knows that Holyfield did not win that fight clearly!! like the American commentators were making out, he won imo but not clearly.
There was not much difference in what Haye did to what Holyfield did, yet it seems American fans only get coerced get into believing what their own! media tells them, its quite pathetic TBH. I keep hearing that Haye cant win a fight throwing that many punches and" running", yet the same people seem to forget that Holyfield was also "running" and had an extremely low punch output also, that might have something to do with why it was one of the most boring fights ive seen in recent times, infact its hard to distinguish which fight was more boring out of Haye, Holyfield vs Valuev.
Here are some unofficial punch stats from Holyfield vs Valuev, not my post BTW.
I've just finished watching this fight twice in a row. Where's my damn cookie?
The broadcast didn't put stats up at the end, and Compubox wasn't covering it. I'd like them to take a look at the tape sometime but don't know how to contact them. So here's my bash at it.
I've done my own punch counts for several years now, so I don't think I'll be too far off. For a 12 round fight, gimme a margin of error of about +/- ten punches at most. Usually I'm within single figures.
If anyone else feels like doing their own count, feel free. Just don't blame me if you end up a gibbering insane wreck from the boredom.
For reference, my card was 116-112 Holyfield.
------HOLY VALUEV------
1st ~ 11/18 8/39
2nd ~ 8/14 4/21
3rd ~ 6/12 6/25
4th ~ 6/14 9/32
5th ~ 7/19 8/26
6th ~ 9/15 13/46
7th ~ 8/11 10/33
8th ~ 10/22 19/44
9th ~ 8/18 13/34
10th ~ 7/17 12/38
11th ~ 8/19 9/36
12th ~ 4/10 17/47
Holyfield
Jabs - 30/56 (54%)
Power - 62/133 (47%)
Total - 92/189 (49%)
Average - 8/16 (!) per round
Valuev
Jabs - 81/303 (27%)
Power - 47/118 (40%)
Total - 128/421 (30%)
Average - 11/35 per round
Holyfield with more big punches thrown and landed, Valuev with more jabbing. Holyfield's ridiculously low punch output did have the benefit of making him much more accurate than Valuev.
Most of Valuev's landed jabs were to Holyfield's chest and midriff. Valuev's head jabs were usually either pushed aside with Holyfield's open glove, or way too short.
My card for Haye.
1 Haye
Haye landed a few jabs to the belly and a right hook behind the elbow, Valuev
missed most of the jabs he attempted.
2 Haye
He landed the two best punches of the round, a right hand and
a left hook right hand, Valuev landed to the chest with the jab but not enough imo.
3 Haye
Haye clearly landed the cleaner punches.
4 Valuev
Valuev was more active, he landed with left hook whilst haye was pulling
out, he also landed short right, he used the jab consistently, hayes combos
missed for the most part.
5 Haye
Close round where Haye landed jabs to the belly, Valuev also landed
jabs to the chest but in the middle of round Haye scored a combo,
Valuev landed a combo towards the end to even it up again, but Haye landed
a clipping shot right at the end to take the round imo, close though.
6 Valuev
Valuev did better here, he landed the jab throughout the round to body and head, he
also landed a nice left hook early, he landed some liver shots to. Haye landed one
clean left hook but a lot of his raids were blocked.
7 Valuev
Hardest round to score so far, Haye landed some shots but was way too
inactive, Valuev landed some jabs and countered haye's right had counter
once in the round, he also landed jabs to the body and head, Haye tried a combo
at the end but virtually missed all.
8 Haye
Very inactive round for both, that said Haye closed it out with the
cleaner shots in the last min or so.
9 Haye
Haye landed 3 clean right hands here.
10 Haye
Haye landed the cleaner work for me, he landed an inside left hook, right
hook to the body and another cuffing right hand toward the end, Watt & Dark scored
it for valuev, but i dont know why.
11 Valuev
I thought Haye was too inactive here, meanwhile Valuev was not that effective
either but he was consistent and i was looking for a sympathy round for him anyway.
12 Haye
He landed the cleaner shots and wobbled Valuev, Valuev caught him on
the tail end of a left hook but that is the only punch i can remember him
landing.
The best!! Valuev could of got was a draw, that would of been kind to him. The least Haye could of got
was a draw, he won the fight clearly on clean punches landed.
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