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  • Iceta
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    #41
    Originally posted by BennyST
    What the **** you talking about man? Marquez has already had a longer, harder career than Mayweather and this is the end of the road for him. He has maybe one or two fights left in him and then it will be quits. He ain't taking this fight in the prime of his years, he is ending his career with some of the hardest fights possible.

    Pac
    Casa
    Diaz
    May
    Hatton

    You calling it double standards for a guy moving up to each opponents (who have also been the top guy in each division) weight class and fighting them instead of the other way around. He's taken on the two P4P number ones for the last six/seven years, both of whom were much bigger, younger and in their primes and has only taken the biggest, hardest possible fights in each division he has been in and you calling this **** double ****ing standards because Mayweather already beat Hatton after Hatton moved up to fight him instead of the other way around? Get real.

    This guy is coming up to Hatton's division after fighting a guy that was twice the size and screwed him over with the weight as well, and you think it's anything like Mayweather fighting Hatton? Have you forgotten that Hatton moved up to WW to fight May and that May had a considerable height and reach advantage? Have you also forgotten that apart from Oscar, the last opponents were guys like Gatti, Judah, Baldomir etc? Compare that to someone who moved up to fight the top guys in each division and who were among the best in the sport, Diaz, Casa, Pac, May, and now he's taking on one big money fight that while not the hardest fight in the sport still presents a very high, and considerable risk to him. He is a lot smaller than Hatton and he is also 37 years old and at the end of his career and still at a weight class that is well and truly too much for him. He is also coming off the most devastating loss of his career, just like Hatton.

    What more could you possibly want from Marquez? He has consistently fought the best the sport has had to offer and done things the hard way. Very, very different from Mayweather. It would be double standards if Marquez went and fought someone like Israel Vasquez. A solid money fight but against a guy that is way smaller and who would have to move up a few divisions to give him no chance. But, it is Marquez who is moving up and the fact is he is still fighting a guy with less wear and tear, barring the two KO's, and who is bigger and younger.

    ****ing double standards my ass. It would be double standards if May moved up to 160 and fought Pavlik after Hopkins beat him. That would be the same thing but Mayweather won't ever move to a division where the fighters are genuinely bigger in height and reach than him.
    I took the time to read all that believe it or not. And some of what you are saying is true. But I think JMM took the fight against Mayweather mostly because of the money. Pacquiao is his natural rival, so anytime those two fight each other, JMM is gonna get some credit. And he does from me. But here is where JMM's resume is lacking. He has never beaten an elite prime fighter for a signature win. Juan Diaz is not that good, even though he was one of the better Lightweights because he already lost to Campell and he went on to get a controversial win over Paulie Malinaggi of all people. We just saw Casamayor struggle against a second rate opponent and he also lost that fight against Santa Cruz.

    Now here is a young title holder in Timothy Bradley at 140 that draws a decent crowd and is way better than Hatton and would give JMM a chance to become a 4 division champ and his name is not even being mentioned. I've got a problem with that. JMM also fought Rocky Juarez instead of Humberto Soto just like Barrera did. And yet Pacquiao is the only one who gets bashed for avoiding him.

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    • Stoppage
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      #42
      That's the best fight for Hatton, besides Khan.

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        #43
        good opponent for jmm to get his confidence back

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          #44
          Originally posted by Iceta
          I took the time to read all that believe it or not. And some of what you are saying is true. But I think JMM took the fight against Mayweather mostly because of the money. Pacquiao is his natural rival, so anytime those two fight each other, JMM is gonna get some credit. And he does from me. But here is where JMM's resume is lacking. He has never beaten an elite prime fighter for a signature win. Juan Diaz is not that good, even though he was one of the better Lightweights because he already lost to Campell and he went on to get a controversial win over Paulie Malinaggi of all people. We just saw Casamayor struggle against a second rate opponent and he also lost that fight against Santa Cruz.

          Now here is a young title holder in Timothy Bradley at 140 that draws a decent crowd and is way better than Hatton and would give JMM a chance to become a 4 division champ and his name is not even being mentioned. I've got a problem with that. JMM also fought Rocky Juarez instead of Humberto Soto just like Barrera did. And yet Pacquiao is the only one who gets bashed for avoiding him.
          JMM didn't even belong at LW. He didn't and KO'd 2 true top 5 LWs that he never been KO'd. And, you questioning him cuz he is not mentioning Bradley at 140? JMM don't belong at 140.

          Michael Katsidis is a top 10 maybe op 5 LW. Yet both Casamayor and Diaz was coming off wins against him when JMM beat them. So they were not as bad as you making them out to be.

          Believe it or not. JMM-Hatton at 140 is not an easy fight. It will be competitive. JMM is not a LW let alone a JWW. And, you won't give him credit of Hatton? You rather watch him fight Bradley? Why that is not competitve he would lose every round against Bradley. I would be highly disappointed in Bradley if he chose to fight an old and small JMM. Instead of Urango, Khan, Alexander, and Maidana.

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          • Iceta
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            #45
            Originally posted by jrosales13
            JMM didn't even belong at LW. He didn't and KO'd 2 true top 5 LWs that he never been KO'd. And, you questioning him cuz he is not mentioning Bradley at 140? JMM don't belong at 140.

            Michael Katsidis is a top 10 maybe op 5 LW. Yet both Casamayor and Diaz was coming off wins against him when JMM beat them. So they were not as bad as you making them out to be.

            Believe it or not. JMM-Hatton at 140 is not an easy fight. It will be competitive. JMM is not a LW let alone a JWW. And, you won't give him credit of Hatton? You rather watch him fight Bradley? Why that is not competitve he would lose every round against Bradley. I would be highly disappointed in Bradley if he chose to fight an old and small JMM. Instead of Urango, Khan, Alexander, and Maidana.
            Maybe Casamayor isn't as bad now as I think he is, but wonder why the hell he took so long to get back in the ring. Did JMM beat him up that bad? And none of those fighters that you listed come close to beating JMM except for maybe Alexander. We need to see the best fight the best. Nothing else to it.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Iceta
              Maybe Casamayor isn't as bad now as I think he is, but wonder why the hell he took so long to get back in the ring. Did JMM beat him up that bad? And none of those fighters that you listed come close to beating JMM except for maybe Alexander. We need to see the best fight the best. Nothing else to it.
              And, you think JMM one of the best at 140? How? I am sorry I am huge JMM fan but Urango and Maidana both beat him. He might be able to land a shot against Khan. But, that is all he woud have is a puncher chance against Khan.

              And, if you want the best fighting the best. Then there is no need to ask for Bradley-JMM. JMM is not a top JWW. Bradley should be fighting the best 1t 140 like you mentioned. Sadly JMM is not one of the best at 140.

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              • Iceta
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                #47
                Originally posted by jrosales13
                And, you think JMM one of the best at 140? How? I am sorry I am huge JMM fan but Urango and Maidana both beat him. He might be able to land a shot against Khan. But, that is all he woud have is a puncher chance against Khan.

                And, if you want the best fighting the best. Then there is no need to ask for Bradley-JMM. JMM is not a top JWW. Bradley should be fighting the best 1t 140 like you mentioned. Sadly JMM is not one of the best at 140.
                I must have a higher opinion of JMM than you do than. Urango and Maidana are wild swinging brawlers. JMM will always beat those type of fighters. Okay, then if he can't compete at 140 why don't he fight Soto? That would be a good fight. And Soto deserves it.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by jrosales13
                  And, you think JMM one of the best at 140? How? I am sorry I am huge JMM fan but Urango and Maidana both beat him. He might be able to land a shot against Khan. But, that is all he woud have is a puncher chance against Khan.

                  And, if you want the best fighting the best. Then there is no need to ask for Bradley-JMM. JMM is not a top JWW. Bradley should be fighting the best 1t 140 like you mentioned. Sadly JMM is not one of the best at 140.
                  I agree, thats why I think this fight would be a competitive one.

                  A competitive fight with big names is good for boxing, end of story.

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                  • Zarco
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                    #49
                    im going to be upset if jmm take a hatton fight over any of the other top guys like bradley or guzman. a hatton win means ****.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Iceta
                      I must have a higher opinion of JMM than you do than. Urango and Maidana are wild swinging brawlers. JMM will always beat those type of fighters. Okay, then if he can't compete at 140 why don't he fight Soto? That would be a good fight. And Soto deserves it.
                      Is not the skill of Urango and Maidana that would beat JMM. Is the strgenth the power of those guys. JMM would not be able to hurt him. JMM would probably be slower than at 140. I have a really high opinion of JMM. BUt, the thing is he is not a JWW. I have high opinion on Mosley does not mean I think Mosley could compete at MW. The weight is the issue.

                      I have no problem with a Soto-JMM fight at 135. I have no problem with JMM-Valero at 135, I have no problem with JMM Katsidis at 135, Those are top 5 LW. They could all fight each other and it would be great.

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