KESSLER VS. WARD: Let's discuss!

[hamil]

Did i say he had a better resume? NO! I just questioned the quality of his opposition. Please read and digest a post before you respond! As soon as anyone questions the resume of Cal you Brits get your panties in a wad. It was not an assault , just an honest question from my perspective.

Dont be a cry baby.

I know Kessler is supposed to fought the better opposition. I am not so sure, outside of Cal and Andrade who has he fought?

here i think you might have said it.

and Im not Brittish, and i couldnt care less about Calzaghes(Cal right?) resume infact i dont like him at all.

[old cat]

here i think you might have said it.

and Im not Brittish, and i couldnt care less about Calzaghes(Cal right?) resume infact i dont like him at all.

What was your point then? Why not just discuss my proposition?

[BattlingNelson]

I know Kessler is supposed to fought the better opposition. I am not so sure, outside of Cal and Andrade who has he fought? A winning record does not always tell the whole story with respect to the quality of opposition.

The post below answer everything you need to know about Kessler having a resumée 10 times that of Ward:

he fought everyone he had to fight, just because of 2 blips on his resume (last two fights) everyone questions his resume. it seems your only as good as your last fight on this forum.

since his debut in the smw division in 2001 the top 10 looked like this.

1.Sven Ottke
2.Joe Calzaghe
3.Byron Mitchell
4.Antwun Echols
5.Charles Brewer
6.Thomas Tate
7.Eric Lucas
8.Mads Larsen
9.Manny Siaca
10.Markus Beyer

in 2002 it looks like this

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Sven Ottke
3.Antwun Echols
4.Eric Lucas
5.Byron Mitchell
6.Charles Brewer
7.Mads Larsen
8.Manny Siaca
9.Anthony Mundine
10.Markus Beyer

in 2003 it looks like this

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Sven Ottke
3.Anthony Mundine
4.Antwun Echols
5.Danny Green
6.Byron Mitchell
7.Markus Beyer
8.Charles Brewer
9.Mads Larsen
10.Robin Reid

in 2004 Kessler enters the list

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Mikkel Kessler
3.Anthony Mundine
4.Antwun Echols
5.Danny Green
6.Jeff Lacy
7.Mads Larsen
8.Robin Reid
9.Markus Beyer
10.Manny Siaca

in 2005 it looked like this after beating mundine

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Mikkel Kessler
3.Jeff Lacy
4.Markus Beyer
5.Anthony Mundine
6.Danny Green
7.Manny Siaca
8.Otis Grant
9.Robin Reid
10.Librado Andrade

in 2006 it looked like this, kessler fought beyer and andrade

Joe Calzaghe, Champion

1.Mikkel Kessler
2.Anthony Mundine
3.Jeff Lacy
4.Markus Beyer
5.Librado Andrade
6.Lucian Bute
7.Carl Froch
8.Allan Green
9.Denis Inkin
10.Peter Manfredo Jr.


RED = EVENTUALLY FOUGHT THEM OR FOUGHT ALREADY
BLACK = FOUGHT THEM THAT YEAR


He basically fought everyone he had to, get off his back!

[hamil]

What was your point then? Why not just discuss my proposition?

my point, Kessler might not have that good of a resume but it shure does **** all over Wards.

If Kessler beats Ward you and all other americans will not give him any credit what so ever, as usual when it comes to european fighters.

[hookoutofhell]

I know Kessler is supposed to fought the better opposition. I am not so sure, outside of Cal and Andrade who has he fought? A winning record does not always tell the whole story with respect to the quality of opposition.

I understand people are not going to like this but his fight with Calzaghe still leaves a question mark. Namely because, ( this is even more inflammatory) who did Calzaghe fight in their prime outside of Mikkel and Lacey? In my mind this still is a question mark. We cannot necessarily say because he fought well against Joe then he will run the table. Do we really know how good Joe was?

In my mind this fight means almost as much to Calzages legacy as it is important for Kessler. After all he gave the Joe a fight for the first half of the contest and landed some good shots, right?

This is not an assault on Calzaghe or his many fans, just an honest question about both fighters.

I am a Ward fan and i have questions about him and his place in the division this is what is so terrific about this tournament, these and other questions will all be answered in time.

this has been done to death - calzaghe, beyer, siaca, mundine, andrade were all in the top 10 or the top 5 when kessler fought them.

you do make a fair point that for a man whos had as many fights as kess he really should have fought a few more big names at 168. however i think when you consider his promotional problems, the fact that his loss to calz set him back and the fact that hes a high risk/low reward fighter it becomes clear why kess's resum,e is not as good as it could be. his resume is respectable but it could be better.

FAO threadstarter, a pretty good assessment of the fight and i agree with your conclusion. on paper this looks like a relatively straightforward assignment for kess but it has the potential to be very tricky. ward is a very good boxer with sound fundamentals, solid technique and fast hands.

i think he will trouble kess but like you said sooner or later kess will come on strong and when he does i expect him to finish the job.

kess via KO in th 8th

[old cat]

this has been done to death - calzaghe, beyer, siaca, mundine, andrade were all in the top 10 or the top 5 when kessler fought them.

you do make a fair point that for a man whos had as many fights as kess he really should have fought a few more big names at 168. however i think when you consider his promotional problems, the fact that his loss to calz set him back and the fact that hes a high risk/low reward fighter it becomes clear why kess's resum,e is not as good as it could be. his resume is respectable but it could be better.

FAO threadstarter, a pretty good assessment of the fight and i agree with your conclusion. on paper this looks like a relatively straightforward assignment for kess but it has the potential to be very tricky. ward is a very good boxer with sound fundamentals, solid technique and fast hands.

i think he will trouble kess but like you said sooner or later kess will come on strong and when he does i expect him to finish the job.

kess via KO in th 8th

I kind of rambled (was at work). I know the discussion was not about Cal. but he set the bar in many peoples eyes, so bringing up Kes fight with him was in fair game.

My point was we do not know how good Kes. is because of the limited opposition, relatively speaking. I tried to make the point his performance in the tournament with by default be a revelation of the true "Greatness" of Cal.

Conversely a poor performance will in many peoples minds invalidate Calz. record in relation to other so called Great fighters. This conclusion will not be with out merit, i might add.

[shady]

Kessler has a lot more experience and stamina, imo. Kessler beats Ward.

[Motofan]

I think this may be Kesslers most difficult fight in the tourny due to the styles. I think if he gets past Ward (which I expect him to do after a few shaky rounds) the rest of the guys are ****ed.

[The Underboss]

what's there to discuss? Kessler is the most superior fighter.

Kessler UD12.

[The_Demon]

I know Kessler is supposed to fought the better opposition. I am not so sure, outside of Cal and Andrade who has he fought? A winning record does not always tell the whole story with respect to the quality of opposition.

I understand people are not going to like this but his fight with Calzaghe still leaves a question mark. Namely because, ( this is even more inflammatory) who did Calzaghe fight in their prime outside of Mikkel and Lacey? In my mind this still is a question mark. We cannot necessarily say because he fought well against Joe then he will run the table. Do we really know how good Joe was?

In my mind this fight means almost as much to Calzages legacy as it is important for Kessler. After all he gave the Joe a fight for the first half of the contest and landed some good shots, right?

This is not an assault on Calzaghe or his many fans, just an honest question about both fighters.

I am a Ward fan and i have questions about him and his place in the division this is what is so terrific about this tournament, these and other questions will all be answered in time.

try and get some points together come fight night
please