Just watched Cotto-Judah for the first time in a while

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  • C.Y.
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    #41
    Originally posted by King Jaffe Joffer
    You sound like a moron. Pac isnt slower. If anything he is faster or the same.
    The Judah fight shouldnt be used as a measuring stick for Pacman..

    1. Pac moves his head, Judah doesnt
    2. Pac is smart, Judah is dumb
    3. Pac has blazing footspeed, Judah has normal footspeed
    4. Pac throws combos, Judah throws 1 punch at a time
    5. Pac has Roach, Judah has his dumb daddy
    6. Pac doesnt get tired, Judah is a 4 round fighter

    And lets not forget Judah had not fought in over a year ( i dont count that 2 minute fight with a tomato can as work)
    you had a few correct points, but...

    Pac doesnt have head movement, his defense is still not that good..
    Pac is not dumb, but he certaintly isnt one of the smartest fighters out there.. anyone with a solid jab and some sort of technical skill can outbox him

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    • rob6465
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      #42
      Cotto LOVES fighting those "fast" fighters. He starts out slow, you might see 1-2 low blows and then cotto destroys the fighter, with the exception of Mosley, who just happened to destroy Margarito. Also, if cotto has the chin to take Margarito and clottey shots, who both seem to be middleweights, he can take a pacquiao punch...punches.

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      • rob6465
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        #43
        We need to realize that Mayweather(welterweight) won easily against Marquez(lightweight). Yes, Marquez who honestly beat pacquiao once, maybe twice. Hatton did way better against mayweather than pacquiao, so maybe Hatton went into fight with wrong training or left himself open too much but very strange. Hoping Pacquiao team/fans are not using hatton fight as a barometer in fighting Cotto.....nah, let them....lol

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        • King Jaffe Joffer
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          #44
          Originally posted by C.Y.
          you had a few correct points, but...

          Pac doesnt have head movement, his defense is still not that good..
          Pac is not dumb, but he certaintly isnt one of the smartest fighters out there.. anyone with a solid jab and some sort of technical skill can outbox him
          Pac definitely moves his head for the most part. When he gets hit, its usually a counter or him trading or leaving himself open.

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          • Benncollinsaad
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            #45
            Originally posted by pacman777
            cotto almost went out if it werent for his low blows
            The dumbest statement here in a long time!

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            • King Jaffe Joffer
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              #46
              Originally posted by C.Y.
              you had a few correct points, but...

              Pac doesnt have head movement, his defense is still not that good..
              Pac is not dumb, but he certaintly isnt one of the smartest fighters out there.. anyone with a solid jab and some sort of technical skill can outbox him
              Pac definitely moves his head for the most part. When he gets hit, its usually a counter or him trading or leaving himself open.

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              • Stickman
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                #47
                I thought Judah did pretty well the first few rounds. He had Cotto hurt bad at one point, just couldn't finish him (Cotto is a hard, hard guy to put down, and even harder to keep down). After the low blows (unintentional on Cotto's part...he'd just had his bell rung badly and was throwing fairly wild at times), I can also understand Judah gassing a little, and not having as much mustard on his shots....getting your nuts blasted like that takes alot out of you. Been there, never pleasant.

                Anyway, to my point: I think Pacman and his camp know they're in for a fight. Whether they can overcome Cotto's ruggedness (without using Plaster of Paris), power and ability, remains to be seen. It will probably take Manny fighting a different fight than he ever has in the past. I think he'll need to get in quick to do his work, using a lead left and a hook upstairs to score, and then get the **** back out before Cotto can counter to the body. If he can do this consistantly, he should skate to a decision with relative ease, probably taking 7 or 8 rounds. If he can't, then he's going to be catching alot of body shots from Cotto, and with Manny's size disadvantage, and Cotto's bodywork expertise, Manny could end up slowed down enough in later rounds (after 7 or 8) that he gets caught by Miguel and KO'd.

                In my opinion, it's a pick'em fight, and could easily go any number of ways. I won't be putting even a penny on this one.

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                  #48
                  Judah doesn't have enough gas to finish the fight.. And don't forget about the low blows.

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                  • IMDAZED
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Stickman
                    I thought Judah did pretty well the first few rounds. He had Cotto hurt bad at one point, just couldn't finish him (Cotto is a hard, hard guy to put down, and even harder to keep down). After the low blows (unintentional on Cotto's part...he'd just had his bell rung badly and was throwing fairly wild at times), I can also understand Judah gassing a little, and not having as much mustard on his shots....getting your nuts blasted like that takes alot out of you. Been there, never pleasant.

                    Anyway, to my point: I think Pacman and his camp know they're in for a fight. Whether they can overcome Cotto's ruggedness (without using Plaster of Paris), power and ability, remains to be seen. It will probably take Manny fighting a different fight than he ever has in the past. I think he'll need to get in quick to do his work, using a lead left and a hook upstairs to score, and then get the **** back out before Cotto can counter to the body. If he can do this consistantly, he should skate to a decision with relative ease, probably taking 7 or 8 rounds. If he can't, then he's going to be catching alot of body shots from Cotto, and with Manny's size disadvantage, and Cotto's bodywork expertise, Manny could end up slowed down enough in later rounds (after 7 or 8) that he gets caught by Miguel and KO'd.

                    In my opinion, it's a pick'em fight, and could easily go any number of ways. I won't be putting even a penny on this one.
                    Absolutely ridiculous.

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                    • Levcon8686
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by King Jaffe Joffer
                      You sound like a moron. Pac isnt slower. If anything he is faster or the same.
                      The Judah fight shouldnt be used as a measuring stick for Pacman..

                      1. Pac moves his head, Judah doesnt
                      2. Pac is smart, Judah is dumb
                      3. Pac has blazing footspeed, Judah has normal footspeed
                      4. Pac throws combos, Judah throws 1 punch at a time
                      5. Pac has Roach, Judah has his dumb daddy
                      6. Pac doesnt get tired, Judah is a 4 round fighter

                      And lets not forget Judah had not fought in over a year ( i dont count that 2 minute fight with a tomato can as work)
                      Great points.

                      Just cause it's 2 fast southpaws, doesn't mean they're not very different.

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