Adamek: "I Made a Statement About My Power"

[Benny Leonard]

=Carnivore;6454072]Take a look at HBO's schedule. Did Dawson-Tarver II have high ratings? No. Did Williams-Wright? NO.

Did Klitschko-Areola have high ratings? Yes.

So why aren't they televising Klitschko-Johnson? Why are they looking to put Dawson on Nov 7 and Williams on Dec 5, but can't afford to have Klitschko on December 12?

I'm not sure what their ratings were but some of the fights they had scheduled did supposedly screw them over which would be the fault of the person in charge.

Klitschko-Arreolo: Thanks to Arreolo is my guess. Do you have the numbers?
Arreolo seemed to have a good following with a decent promoter who could I guess make a profit for HBO on a title fight.


Klitschko-Johnson: Not sure. One thing though, Johnson isn't known and he isn't good and will probably be blown away...which isn't always a bad thing since fans like that as well. But maybe the reason is that Wlad is their poster-boy and he has a high demand that costs a lot of dollars. And given Vitali also probably has a high request in salary, HBO's money might be tied up with other events. Money is being spent on 24/7 series and trying to build up PPV events. Next PPV event is in November and it has to do well.

Surely you know Adamek-Cunningham II is a more appealing fight to most boxing fans than Agbeko-Perez and Spinks-Molina?

Absolutely. But again, I don't have the papers in front of me like they do. I don't know what the demands are. There is a lot to it.
Could they have an agenda? Yeah, sure...but the Boss at the top needs to make a profit or he will be replaced because at the end of the day, even Don King knew it was about the Gold.

It's hard for me to imagine that if they could make a profit and have the money to spend that they wouldn't want the rematch.
They have the papers though...not me and not you.

Adamek has a big Polish-American following, and in fact is popular with most fans. He's an exciting, aggressive fighter.

I heard that talk too, but they are still putting on all those other fights. I smell BS.

I don't know what Adamek's numbers are. If he has the numbers Golota had, who has gotten many chances, then he should be on.

I don't know what Adamek's salary request are either.

Fighters will want more money for certain fights to happen while networks aren't willing to pay the demands and can put on other fights for less money in order to make some profit.

There is a lot to consider.

No, Benny, it's YOUR insecurity that's at issue here. It causes you to discredit and be negative about European boxers.

All I want is to be able to enjoy boxing without your insecure comments.

So then I must be negative towards American fighters as well because I'm not all positive with them either.

And I guess the comments I do make that are positive about "European" fighters don't count because they either have to be all positive or don't count.

Yeah, because that is how the real world works: everything is positive




So what is your guess why they don't have certain fights on HBO and Showtime?

[..David..]

he should fight tua so he can feel real HW power

[warp1432]

Agabeko Perez aren't making **** most likely. They weight 118 pounds, they never make any money.

Also HBO actually is looking into televsing Klitchsko Johnson tunney, according to Rafael.. With Pavlik pulling out, they have money now which they could use to put Klitchsko Johnson on a delay boardcast + Diaz Malignaggi II live. Depends how much they want to shell out for Williams vs TBA and Arreola vs TBA. There will probably still be enough for Klitchsko Johnson considering Vitali doesn't need a huge amount, since most of the money comes from germany's tv station.

[The Hammer]

Klitschko-Arreolo: Thanks to Arreola is my guess.

Hmmmm...

No, the Williams-Wright & McCline-Arreola card in April had poor ratings...

The Klitschko-Arreola fight had the highest ratings of any HBO telecast so far in 2009. Of course I don't have the exact numbers, you know that. But I'm sure being an avid boxing fan you read about the ratings for Klitschko-Arreola were the highest for 2009.

Nearly everybody I know has heard of Vitali Klitschko, despite the lack of media attention he's been given. But no one except for hard-core boxing fans are familiar with Arreola.

Yeah, because that is how the real world works: everything is positive

No. But not everything is negative either!

When a person hates someone, he or she will often ignore the positive and focus only on the negative about the person.

Better to not dwell on the negative too much, I think. I try to be as fair as possible, do you?

So what is your guess why they don't have certain fights on HBO and Showtime?

Perhaps for the same reason you always discredit European fighters? Perhaps they just don't like Europeans. What do you think?

[Benny Leonard]

=Carnivore;6454190]Hmmmm...

No, the Williams-Wright & McCline-Arreola card in April had poor ratings...

The Klitschko-Arreola fight had the highest ratings of any HBO telecast so far in 2009. Of course I don't have the exact numbers, you know that. But I'm sure being an avid boxing fan you read about the ratings for Klitschko-Arreola were the highest for 2009.

First Mexican-American to fight for the HW title has a catch to it. Even non-followers can jump on the bandwagon. It's good easy marketing.

What's the selling point with Vitali-Johnson?

Nearly everybody I know has heard of Vitali Klitschko, despite the lack of media attention he's been given. But no one except for hard-core boxing fans are familiar with Arreola

That's because everybody you know is European or European heritage that wax off to the Klitschkos. I'm in an ocean and you are in a kiddy pool.

The Klitschkos aren't big in the USA. They might have a little bit of attention in L.A. though. A small percentage of people I know follow boxing...specifically the HW division.


If the Klitschkos had a big following they would be bigger. If they could be marketed to be huge stars they would have.

Let's not forget the many Europeans in the entertainment field that are popular and are marketed because they can.

Lets not forget:

No. But not everything is negative either. Better to not dwell on the negative too much. I try to be fair, do you?

Positive and Negative go together to balance things out. When there is too much positive it can lead too much hype. Now if there is no negative to be discussed, that's fine.

Perhaps for the same reason you always discredit European fighters? Perhaps they just don't like Europeans. What do you think?

I like Talented European fighters just like I like Talented American fighters...Talented World Fighters...Talent in general.

Showtime certainly had Tszyu on all the time. They had Calzaghe on for a bit but his ratings I heard were poor.
Lewis fought on HBO, did he not?
How about Hatton on Showtime?

[The Hammer]

That's because everybody you know is European or European heritage that wax off to the Klitschkos. I'm in an ocean and you are in a kiddy pool.

You couldn't be any more wrong - very few of the people I come in contact with are Europeans. Vancouver is very diversified - the people I'm referring to are Filipinos, Chinese, ***s, Arabs, Persians, etc.

They've nearly all heard of the Klitschkos, but except for a couple of hard-core boxing fans, they've never heard of Arreola.

[Benny Leonard]

You couldn't be any more wrong - very few of the people I come in contact with are Europeans. Vancouver is very diversified - the people I'm referring to are Filipinos, Chinese, ***s, Arabs, Persians, etc.

They've nearly all heard of the Klitschkos, but except for a couple of hard-core boxing fans, they've never heard of Arreola.

[The Hammer]

Showtime certainly had Tszyu on all the time. They had Calzaghe on for a bit but his ratings I heard were poor.
Lewis fought on HBO, did he not?
How about Hatton on Showtime?

Showtime did three Calzaghe fights against American opponents.

I remember Al Bernstein was expecting the younger Mitchell to defeat Calzaghe. I remember Bernstein went on for an hour about Calzaghe-Mitchell being an early stoppage, but it clearly wasn't.

The commentators (Bernstein and Albert, if I remember correctly) also claimed early stoppage in the Calzaghe-Sheika fight, but the American Sheika was in bad shape at the end.

Hatton on Showtime? Yes there were a couple of fights, and Bernstein sure was rooting for Ricky's opponents! He talked and talked about how OLD and SHOT age 30 Ben Tackie was when he was fighting Hatton in 2003, but when Tackie fought somebody else years later (Holt I think), strangely enough, Al never mentioned Tackie's age.

And of course the Tszyu-Hatton fight. Bernstein was really rooting for Tszyu in that one, but he'd always sounded like he was rooting against Tszyu when he fought American opponents. Strange.

Yes, they televised Lacy-Calzaghe, and I vaguely remember a couple of other Lacy fights before that. Before the fight Bernstein predicted Lacy would defeat Joe, and he was nearly ****ting himself during the fight as Joe dominated!

Calzaghe's Showtime ratings in the three fights were actually GOOD, despite Bernstein's negativity about him. Joe went on to HBO after the Lacy fight.

Benny, instead of trying to cover it up, why not just ADMIT you don't like European boxers? Sometimes you come across as kind of ridiculous, when you discredit and ridicule them, and then claim to be unbiased. Our boxingscene poster "daggum" admitted he hates "Euros" - you should too.

[Benny Leonard]

Showtime did three Calzaghe fights against American opponents.

I remember Al Bernstein was expecting the younger Mitchell to defeat Calzaghe. I remember Bernstein went on for an hour about Calzaghe-Mitchell being an early stoppage, but it clearly wasn't.

The commentators (Bernstein and Albert, if I remember correctly) also claimed early stoppage in the Calzaghe-Sheika fight, but the American Sheika was in bad shape at the end.

Hatton on Showtime? Yes there were a couple of fights, and Bernstein sure was rooting for Ricky's opponents! He talked and talked about how OLD and SHOT age 30 Ben Tackie was when he was fighting Hatton in 2003, but when Tackie fought somebody else years later (Holt I think), strangely enough, Al never mentioned Tackie's age.

And of course the Tszyu-Hatton fight. Bernstein was really rooting for Tszyu in that one, but he'd always sounded like he was rooting against Tszyu when he fought American opponents. Strange.

Yes, they televised Lacy-Calzaghe, and I vaguely remember a couple of other Lacy fights before that. Before the fight Bernstein predicted Lacy would defeat Joe, and he was nearly ****ting himself during the fight as Joe dominated!

Calzaghe's Showtime ratings in the three fights were actually GOOD, despite Bernstein's negativity about him. Joe went on to HBO after the Lacy fight.

Well I wasn't too impressed with the first fight I saw Calzaghe on Showtime. Can't remember which fight that was but I don't even think Calzaghe was happy with his performance. I think he may have blamed his hand...can't remember.
It took me a bit to even go bother to watch some of his other fights.

For taking someone off the air: It can still be about Money, the Promoter, Fighter...air-time, etc.

Hatton vs. Tackie: Tackie was past it. Tszyu had already schooled him and Mitchell beat him as well after Tszyu.

So why would Bernstein root for Tszyu over Hatton?

I think you touched on this with me as well, right?
But you never explained your reasoning.

Joe went on to fight on HBO down the road and it was against HBO's boys, Hopkins and Roy Jones jr.

I know why you like Judah more than Tszyu, and why you like Tszyu more than Hatton. You are 100% predictable.

So you were wrong about me liking Judah and now you have to explain the bold.

[The Hammer]

Well I wasn't too impressed with the first fight I saw Calzaghe on Showtime. Can't remember which fight that was but I don't even think Calzaghe was happy with his performance. I think he may have blamed his hand...can't remember.
It took me a bit to even go bother to watch some of his other fights.

For taking someone off the air: It can still be about Money, the Promoter, Fighter...air-time, etc.

So why would Bernstein root for Tszyu over Hatton?

I think you touched on this with me as well, right?
But you never explained your reasoning.

Joe went on to fight on HBO down the road and it was against HBO's boys, Hopkins and Roy Jones jr.

First Calzaghe fight on Showtime: Calzaghe-Mitchell. Very exciting fight, I enjoyed it despite Bernstein's bitching. I became a Calzaghe fan while watching it..

Second fight: Calzaghe-Sheika. A war while it lasted, not a boring moment! It was great except for the commentators annoyingly bitching about the stoppage.

Third fight: Calzaghe-Lacy. One of the most brilliant displays of boxing skill I've ever seen. I was pleasantly surprised that Steve Albert gave Calzaghe full credit for a great performance, although Bernstein was predictably making excuses for Lacy. The people I've talked into watching it and loaned the video to were VERY impressed.

Hatton vs. Tackie: Tackie was past it. Tszyu had already schooled him and Mitchell beat him as well after Tszyu.

But why wasn't he past it years later when he fought Holt? The commentator (Bernstein, if I remember correctly) never mentioned his age in that fight.

No, Tackie wasn't past it at age 30 when he fought Ricky Hatton, and there was no good reason for Bernstein to say it about 50 times during the fight! Although he was a tough cookie, Tackie never was a world-class fighter, that's why he always lost to world-class fighters like Tszyu and Hatton.

I could see Tackie was past it, however, last year when he fought Hatton's brother on the Malignaggi-Hatton undercard.

So why would Bernstein root for Tszyu over Hatton?

And also Tszyu's American opponents over Tszyu? Same reason he was rooting against Calzaghe. Same reason he always roots against European boxers...

Same reason you do. You know the answer to the question better than I do!