Comments Thread For: Tyson Fury pursuing interim fight before he faces Anthony Joshua

[RockyKO]

It doesn't seem like he has enough time. They're fighting in November, correct? Fury has a tune up in July that only gives him 4 months to get ready for AJ. What do I know? Guys back in the day used to fight about 5 times a year so he can probably do it. F u c k it, throw him in there with a scrappy Bulgarian nobody has heard of.

[sexaputena31]

Seems like Tyson Fury is panicking already 'Why so serious? Why does Tyson Fury need another interim fight, in his own words for a chump heavyweight fighter like Anthony Joshua?'.

I will tell you why? Because Anthony Joshua is stylistically the worst potential fight for Tyson Fury 'out of all fighters during this heavyweight era'.

I honestly, believe that for Tyson Fury specifically 'trying to beat Anthony Joshua, will pose to be more difficult than beating Oleksandr Uysk'.

Note: Anthony Joshua has been the only heavyweight fighter 'from this heavyweight era, to have proven elite level boxing skills, and elite level power combined with durability'.

If you analyse this heavyweight era, none of the top level fighters 'have in combination had all of those attributes. Only Anthony Joshua, that is why at any given time? Joshua has always had the ability to smash up all of his competition'.

Oleksandr Uysk has elite level boxing skills, and is a great athlete 'but he is not a elite level power puncher'. Daniel Dubois has elite level power, but his technical boxing skills and his endurance are nowhere near elite. Deontay Wilder had elite level power, but his technical boxing skills are not elite'.

But when you analyse Anthony Joshua, attribute vs. attribute 'you can see that he has at his peak, elite level power, elite level boxing skills and contrary to certain negative narratives in regards to his durability. Anthony Joshua has fought and beaten the most power punches of this heavyweight era'.

Tyson Fury has only fought Wladimir KIltschko and Deontay Wilder 'and he fought Kiltschko on the back foot during a underwhelming fight'.

Tyson Fury has been knocked down 7 times 'he was being decked at domestic, European and World level. Anthony Joshua has only been decked by other elite level fighters, and has always fought to try and get back to his feet'.

Even against Daniel Dubois 'after nearly turning the fight around in the 5th round, unfortunately he was then countered and knocked out. But he was still seen to be scrambling and fighting to get back to his feet'.

This notion that Tyson Fury has this superior level of durability compared to Anthony Joshua ' is nonsense, made up by the media machine which backs him. Check the 9th round during his first fight vs. Oleksandr Uysk'.

The facts are, both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are 'when you analyse them attribute vs. attributes they are very close in terms of levels'.

There is not one area of Tyson Fury's game, where he is miles better than Anthony Joshua 'who is also a super heavyweight. Who is most likely in terms of brute strength stronger than Fury'.

That is why stylistically Anthony Joshua has always been an extremely difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua is a powerful, fundamentally technically sound super heavyweight fighter'.

To conclude: Every single common opponent that Anthony Joshua has shared with Tyson Fury 'Joshua has beaten that fighter in more impressive conclusive fashion'.

Tyson Fury was backed up all night by Wladimir Kiltschko, but he did riddle he was to https://playio0.de/ 3 winning more rounds. It was underwhelming fight, but a great win in terms of historical significance.

Anthony Joshua in comparison knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko and forced him into retirement in the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years.

Tyson Fury was pushed right to the line, and busted up real good by Otto Wallin 'Anthony Joshua beat up Ottin Wallin, and forced a stoppage inside 5 rounds'.

Tyson Fury was decked and beaten by Francis Ngannou over 10 rounds 'Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'.

If and when both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua step inside the boxing ring vs. each other. For me personally from a pure objective perspective, Joshua has the ability to make this fight nowhere near a 50/50 fight'.

That is how difficult of a stylistic match this is for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua has the ability to laser out Tyson Fury for the first time in his career' etc.

Die Einschätzung ist stark subjektiv. Fury und Joshua sind auf hohem Niveau, aber mit unterschiedlichen Stärken: Fury über Reichweite, Beinarbeit und Defensive, Joshua über Schlagkraft und Grundtechnik. Allerdings sind einige Behauptungen falsch: Joshua hat nicht gegen Otto Wallin gekämpft (das war Fury vs. Wallin). Auch die Klitschko-Kämpfe waren unterschiedlich (Fury 2015 Punktsieg, Joshua 2017 TKO). Beide sind nicht klar „gleich“, aber auch nicht meilenweit getrennt.

[PRINCEKOOL]

It's called a comments section, not a fanboy/hater article section.
Grow up,
I stopped at Furys panicking?
Ajs the one who's sent back contracts & avoided Wilder & Fury & any puncher until Dubois, while Fury had a trilogy with Wilder.
I like neither, they've both let us down in they're ways.

Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder both fought each other 'because they believed stylistically, it was the easy fight for them instead of fighting Anthony Joshua'.

In the aftermath of Fury vs. Uysk II 'I told many people around here, that Tyson Fury would now tactically retire to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua, and that is precisely what happened. Until Joshua was plunge into a vulnerable situation'.

Note: Tyson Fury outweighed Deontay Wilder on average by 40 + pounds, Fury has very rarely if ever fought 'a fighter like Anthony Joshua, a super heavyweight fighter with proven elite level power and boxing skills'.

The last time he fought a heavyweight like that, he was backed up all night 'and disappeared for the rematch unfortunately due to his then circumstance. That fighter was Wladimir Kiltschko'.

Tyson Fury in my opinion is definitively panicking, long gone are the days when he could give 24 hour ultimatums 'he has been forced into this fight. By public pressure and the fact that according to his gypsy culture he is a fighting man'.

Go and check Tyson Fury's resume, every single super heavyweight he has fought 'he really has not performed that great. He won a underwhelming fight vs. Wladimir Kiltschko, and was lacklustre vs. a miles outside of his peak Dillian Whyte before he scored a fluke knockout which prevented him from most likely another underwhelming points victory'.

Tyson Fury is not walking forward vs. Anthony Joshua 'and he is not knocking him out. Because historically if he does not considerably outweigh his opponent, then he does not apply those sort of tactics very well'.

This is why I have always rated the fight as stylistically difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'it is a more difficult fight for Fury stylistically than Oleksandr Uysk and Deontay Wilder'.

Oleksandr Uysk was a elite level boxer, but he does not have elite level power 'Deontay Wilder has elite level power, but he is not a elite level boxer. Oh yeh? And Tyson Fury also out weighed Oleksandr Uysk by 50 + pounds'.

Those statistics don't exist in this match up for Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua 'he is not stronger than Joshua, he does not have more power than Joshua, he is not a miles better boxer than Joshua. The 48 rounds they both shared with Uysk have highlighted this. Anthony Joshua overall performed better vs. a superior version of Oleksandr Uysk'.

To conclude: Anthony Joshua when he is at his peak or in solid form 'across his entire game, he has elite level boxing skills and elite level power. Tyson Fury and all of his team know this. That is why Joshua was able to laser out Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'.

Even Tyson Fury at his absolute peak, would really struggle to beat Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds 'he is not that type of fighter, and does not have that destructive game'.

If Anthony Joshua who won the 2012 Olympic title in the amateur ranks, while Tyson Fury lost to David Price 'that is his best known feat achieved in the amateur game'.

When both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua step inside the ring together to compete 'Anthony Joshua in my opinion is not losing this fight' etc.

[daggum]

It's called a comments section, not a fanboy/hater article section.
Grow up,
I stopped at Furys panicking?
Ajs the one who's sent back contracts & avoided Wilder & Fury & any puncher until Dubois, while Fury had a trilogy with Wilder.
I like neither, they've both let us down in they're ways.

what are you talking about now? joshua has been trying to fight wilder his entire career and wilder was the one turning it down. for context wilder's career high payday in 2018 was 2 million and he was offered 15 million...


Aug 20, 2018: Wilder: Joshua, Hearn Degraded Me - $15 Mill & No Percentage!

https://www.boxingscene.com/articles/wilder-joshua-hearn-degraded-me-15-mill-no-percentage

then we all know he turned down 100 million to fight joshua and made around half that instead. here are some of his quotes on why:

"you sell me a number and I know there's going to be a bigger number than that. They saw a guy they thought they could throw some money at and that would be it but they found out the hard way."

“I’m betting on myself. I move as I please. Those guys, they have to do as they are told. I make commands and demands. They take them. That's the difference between me and them.

“Soon I will be the highest paid athlete in the world. If no one believes it, just watch. You'll see.

https://talksport.com/boxing/513180/deontay-wilder-explains-reject-anthony-joshua/

then he lost to parker when joshua signed to fight him...

Former heavyweight champions Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have a deal in place to fight March 9 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, sources told ESPN.

The sides agreed on the money, sources said, but they both must come out victorious and uninjured in separate bouts Dec. 23 in Saudi Arabia's capital

https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/39107266/sources-ex-champs-wilder-joshua-reach-deal-march-9-clash

are you taking about when wilder dm'd joshua and said he would give joshua 50 million? he literally never sent a contract. joshua literally sent him contract after contract and he turned them all down.

“We received an email from a Hotmail address saying we will give you $50 million dollars for the fight. It was sent to Anthony Joshua. Directly. He was like ‘what.’ So, I went back and said send the contract. They went no... they never sent it,” Hearn

https://www.fightsports.tv/hearn-wilder-offered-joshua-50m-but-no-contract-was-sent/

so yeah i dont know what information you are going on? are you literally just reading wilders PR about how he wants to fight joshua? facts show he didnt

[hardleft]

both good in their hay days but they are long gone


i will admit it is a bit of a grudge match between 2 older damaged guys


so a bit interesting due to that factor

[Spray_resistant]

Who is he going to fight though if he is fighting again before AJ? Bakole? He is fat and slow, Fury should be able to outbox him and not get caught with anything big if he isn't clowning around.

[fifth_root]

Seems like Tyson Fury is panicking already 'Why so serious? Why does Tyson Fury need another interim fight, in his own words for a chump heavyweight fighter like Anthony Joshua?'.

I will tell you why? Because Anthony Joshua is stylistically the worst potential fight for Tyson Fury 'out of all fighters during this heavyweight era'.

I honestly, believe that for Tyson Fury specifically 'trying to beat Anthony Joshua, will pose to be more difficult than beating Oleksandr Uysk'.

Note: Anthony Joshua has been the only heavyweight fighter 'from this heavyweight era, to have proven elite level boxing skills, and elite level power combined with durability'.

If you analyse this heavyweight era, none of the top level fighters 'have in combination had all of those attributes. Only Anthony Joshua, that is why at any given time? Joshua has always had the ability to smash up all of his competition'.

Oleksandr Uysk has elite level boxing skills, and is a great athlete 'but he is not a elite level power puncher'. Daniel Dubois has elite level power, but his technical boxing skills and his endurance are nowhere near elite. Deontay Wilder had elite level power, but his technical boxing skills are not elite'.

But when you analyse Anthony Joshua, attribute vs. attribute 'you can see that he has at his peak, elite level power, elite level boxing skills and contrary to certain negative narratives in regards to his durability. Anthony Joshua has fought and beaten the most power punches of this heavyweight era'.

Tyson Fury has only fought Wladimir KIltschko and Deontay Wilder 'and he fought Kiltschko on the back foot during a underwhelming fight'.

Tyson Fury has been knocked down 7 times 'he was being decked at domestic, European and World level. Anthony Joshua has only been decked by other elite level fighters, and has always fought to try and get back to his feet'.

Even against Daniel Dubois 'after nearly turning the fight around in the 5th round, unfortunately he was then countered and knocked out. But he was still seen to be scrambling and fighting to get back to his feet'.

This notion that Tyson Fury has this superior level of durability compared to Anthony Joshua ' is nonsense, made up by the media machine which backs him. Check the 9th round during his first fight vs. Oleksandr Uysk'.

The facts are, both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are 'when you analyse them attribute vs. attributes they are very close in terms of levels'.

There is not one area of Tyson Fury's game, where he is miles better than Anthony Joshua 'who is also a super heavyweight. Who is most likely in terms of brute strength stronger than Fury'.

That is why stylistically Anthony Joshua has always been an extremely difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua is a powerful, fundamentally technically sound super heavyweight fighter'.

To conclude: Every single common opponent that Anthony Joshua has shared with Tyson Fury 'Joshua has beaten that fighter in more impressive conclusive fashion'.

Tyson Fury was backed up all night by Wladimir Kiltschko, but he did riddle he was to winning more rounds. It was underwhelming fight, but a great win in terms of historical significance.

Anthony Joshua in comparison knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko and forced him into retirement in the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years.

Tyson Fury was pushed right to the line, and busted up real good by Otto Wallin 'Anthony Joshua beat up Ottin Wallin, and forced a stoppage inside 5 rounds'.

Tyson Fury was decked and beaten by Francis Ngannou over 10 rounds 'Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'.

If and when both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua step inside the boxing ring vs. each other. For me personally from a pure objective perspective, Joshua has the ability to make this fight nowhere near a 50/50 fight'.

That is how difficult of a stylistic match this is for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua has the ability to laser out Tyson Fury for the first time in his career' etc.

AJ is not an elite-level boxer, but a very good one with great promotion and matchmaking. He is also weak in psychology - when Ruiz tore his back hole, AJ took a walk to his corner like a prince. Rare to see such behaviour, little at all from an "elite" fighter. He also has a weak chin, not a glass one, but weak. So, regardless of Fury being knocked down multiple times, he was never knocked out and that is what counts. He also gave Usyk way better fights and outclassed Klitschko, while AJ went life and death with an older version of him. But there is something you are very wrong about your post - compare how each of them handled common opponents - this isn't something you do in sports to be conclusive: AJ beat Parker, but lost to Ruiz, who lost to Parker - boxing doesn't work like Maths.

Fury also has better endurance than "I am a new breed of heavyweight, I am not a 12-round fighter." And to be honest, AJ does not have a greater resume than Fury. The thing is, which one of them got old and lost the fire, which might impact the outcome of the fight, whatever that outcome is. Not that it will not be a fair fight, but the question remains - what if they fought in their prime...

daggum, it is always others who reject contracts to AJ, or it is always others' contracts that "are not in the right format".

[PRINCEKOOL]

AJ is not an elite-level boxer, but a very good one with great promotion and matchmaking. He is also weak in psychology - when Ruiz tore his back hole, AJ took a walk to his corner like a prince. Rare to see such behaviour, little at all from an "elite" fighter. He also has a weak chin, not a glass one, but weak. So, regardless of Fury being knocked down multiple times, he was never knocked out and that is what counts. He also gave Usyk way better fights and outclassed Klitschko, while AJ went life and death with an older version of him. But there is something you are very wrong about your post - compare how each of them handled common opponents - this isn't something you do in sports to be conclusive: AJ beat Parker, but lost to Ruiz, who lost to Parker - boxing doesn't work like Maths.

Fury also has better endurance than "I am a new breed of heavyweight, I am not a 12-round fighter." And to be honest, AJ does not have a greater resume than Fury. The thing is, which one of them got old and lost the fire, which might impact the outcome of the fight, whatever that outcome is. Not that it will not be a fair fight, but the question remains - what if they fought in their prime...

daggum, it is always others who reject contracts to AJ, or it is always others' contracts that "are not in the right format".

Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic Champion, Tyson Fury lost to David Price in the amateur ranks 'those are both their biggest and most known feats as amateur fighters'.

Tyson Fury has never avenged a loss, Anthony Joshua has immediately avenged a loss to Andy Ruiz Junior 'this proves that Joshua in my opinion has stronger and more durable fighting attitude than Tyson Fury. Who has lost his last three fights vs. Francis Ngannou, and Oleksandr Uysk twice back to back. Then he retired crying out of his backside'.

Anthony Joshua may have been decked by Wladimir Kiltschko 'but this was in my opinion because, he fought a extremely offensive fight against? A Heavyweight fighter who statistically is a bigger and more proven power puncher than Deontay Wilder. Wladimir Kiltschko has knocked out more top level fighters than Deontay Wilder'.

Note: Regardless? Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko is more conclusive than Tyson Fury's 'Joshua knocked out Kiltschko and forced him into retirement'.

Whereas in comparison, Tyson Fury achieved one points victory over Wladimir Kiltschko 'and disappeared for the rematch unfortunately due to his then circumstance. The only reason why Anthony Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko, was because he was stepping up to fight the version of Kiltschko who Tyson Fury should have fought in their scheduled rematch'.

It was Anthony Joshua who brought to a conclusion Tyson Fury's battles twice during his career 'once against Wladimir Kiltschko, and for the second time against Francis Ngannou. Fury should have rematched both of those fighters, but he did not'.

Tyson Fury won one underwhelming fight vs. Wladimir Kiltschko, and then he was beaten by Francis Ngannou over 10 rounds 'which warranted a rematch. Francis Ngannou was regarded as the biggest existential crisis in Heavyweight boxing of the 21st century; he was an issue that needed stopping. Anthony Joshua was the man and Heavyweight fighter who once again stood up and conclusively forced Francis Ngannou out of boxing at top level'.

Come on! Tyson Fury does not have better endurance. Anthony Joshua is a miles superior athlete to Tyson Fury. Seriously? Fury struggles to run, jump and move 'To the level of Anthony Joshua. It is a myth that he is this genetic marvel and great athlete'.

Statistics which prove Anthony Joshua has superior or very comparable levels endurances to Tyson Fury.

If you compare the 24 rounds both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua fought vs. Oleksandr Uysk 'it was Fury who tanked and fatigued more badly than Joshua twice in his fights. Statistically Olekandr Uysk was producing higher work rate in his fights vs. Anthony Joshua, and likewise? Anthony Joshua was also producing a higher work rate than Tyson Fury. So this notion that Fury has monster endurance is completely nonsense'.

Anthony Joshua over his two fights with Uysk, his work rate superior to Tyson Fury's 'Joshua threw at total of 641 punches in the first fight, and then 492 punches in the rematch. Joshua's second fight vs. Uysk, showed that tactically? He was attempting to manage his pace more efficiently, which he did. But Uysk in response to this threw 712 punches. Out of all 4 Heavyweight titles fights vs. both Fury and Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk produced his highest work rate vs Anthony Joshua II'.

So in order for Anthony Joshua to compete with Oleksandr Uysk 'he had to produce a higher level of endurance than Tyson Fury in his fights vs. Oleksandr Uysk'.

Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'I personally regard that specific fight, as the absolute peak version of Uysk. Uysk vs Joshua II was throwing on average 300 more punches than he did vs Tyson Fury I & II.

To conclude: N/A, you are apprehensive 'look at you? You are already making excuses. But, but what if they fought during their primes blah blah 'Tyson Fury is getting smashed up, knocked out, lasered out for the first time in his career when and if he ever steps inside the ring vs. Anthony Joshua. And that is what you and everyone else needs to understand'.

I will compare whatever statistics I want in this fight 'Anthony Joshua has performed better vs. all the common opponents he has shared with Tyson Fury. And like I have just stated, when they compete against other, he will also perform better and in my opinion be the victor in that fight' etc.

[fifth_root]

Sure, you can compare apples to peaches, but that doesn’t make the comparison meaningful - just like claiming AJ performed better against Usyk or that he somehow has a better gas tank than Fury, especially after I already quoted AJ’s own words. His accuracy was also noticeably worse in both fights compared to Fury’s. Meanwhile, Usyk threw fewer punches against Fury than he did against AJ, which speaks for itself. Yet you still dig for whatever you can pull out of your pocket to build a long post with very little objectivity, foundation, or truth.

Me saying they should have fought in their primes is not an excuse - it’s a simple regret. The fact that they didn’t will leave a stain on both their legacies, no matter who wins now. You can’t grasp a straightforward point, yet you’re diving into statistical analysis. But that explains the quality of your posting.

Claiming Fury “lost” to Francis because you personally think so doesn’t change the official result. Just like Fury’s fans believe he won the first Usyk fight, or at least that it was a draw.

And let’s be honest: Fury humiliated Wlad - outclassed him, toyed with him (exposed him as a cheater, which Pulev hinted first, but no one took him seriously, because of his loss). Whether someone likes that style is another discussion, but it was far more convincing than barely surviving against an older Wlad.


To the topic:

If the fight really happens in November, Fury won’t have much time to rest - just a short break after Makhmudov before starting another camp for a potential fight in July and repeating the whole cycle. AJ, on the other hand, will be coming off a long layoff after Dubois (the Paul circus barely counts as a fight) and has scheduled exactly one bout in July. If he believes that’s enough preparation, fine. It also depends on how active he’s been in the gym while out of the ring.

[Donnie Herrera]