Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Coping with a defeat, eighties greats, the Mayweather-Pacquiao debate

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In this week?s Daily Bread Mailbag, top coach Stephen Edwards answers your questions about where Mayweather and Pacquiao rate in the pantheon of greats, and against each other, discusses why he is not a fan of mythical matches, looks back on some of the 1980s greats and discusses the matter of doping in boxing
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[Smash]

'I’m reminded also of the brilliance of Floyd in waiting an opponent out'

LMAO

yeah thats just pure brilliance right there

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'Cheating is not frowned upon in boxing. Getting caught cheating is'

a lot of people think those caught are just the tip of the iceberg and the unlucky ones and they may well be that, getting caught confirms all and puts a target on your back which u can never erase but its actually meaningless as all cheaters just carry on as normal, some immediately & some like eggie benn with issues and a longer timeframe plus there may well be issues with legitimate contamination but i would says that unlikely as if you consume random ebay like supplements then u are just pure dumb and nothing else, there are supplement brands out there that stand by their quality and i have never seen any athlete blame them for a positive test

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'You see 180lbs men fighting at 147lbs'

yes indeed and its very odd as well, im no doc but i really cant see how it can be healthy shedding all that water and putting it back in the day or so before a fight, why not just weight them right before they get in the ring to make sure they are on the correct weight for the fight that night, this method u have differences of 10 plus pounds in the ring even for a 147 fight, thats a weight class and a half weight difference in the ring, amazing really

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1. Doping

dont include joey parker with the other lot, sniff is not performance enhancing as in joey boy was trying to cheat in his fight, big difference here

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Katlholo with another essay

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hypothetical matchups are almost a waste of time with top guys from different ereas, noone can say who would have won, there would have been shocks in the match ups thats for sure and some clear wins as well

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"You see 180lbs men fighting at 147lbs. Whereas in the 90s fighters concentrated more on boxing, running, hitting the bags and skipping rope. So you have 160lbs men fighting at 147lbs."

This is actually a fallicy. You have 180/ 160 lb men fighting at those very weights for a theoretical 147 lb contractual obligation.

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At first glance I didn’t agree with Bread ranking Holyfield higher in the 1980’s than Roberto Duran and Pernell Whitaker. But after hearing his reasoning he does make good points.

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'I’m reminded also of the brilliance of Floyd in waiting an opponent out'

LMAO

yeah thats just pure brilliance right there

need to add that was written by the fan NOT Coach Bread

Coach Bread ranking criteria is advanced. instead of just looking at resumes he focuses on records which also includes losses

Holyfield being one of my favorite fighters has nothing to do with me putting him at #10 on my all decade of the 1980s P4P list. And I have no issue explaining why I ranked him over Whitaker and Duran in the 1980s.

Duran had three of the best wins of the decade vs Ray Leonard, Davey Moore and Iran Barkley. But he also lost SEVEN times in the 1980s to Ray Leonard 2x, Wilfred Benitez, Kirkland Laing, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns and Robbie Sims. Hagler was a great loss. A lightweight taking a top five ever middleweight the 15-round distance in a close fight is a great loss. But he quit vs Leonard and was shutout vs Leonard. Hearns knocked him out cold. Benitez outboxed him. Laing had no business beating him. And the Robbie Sims fight was razor close, that wasn’t such a bad loss.

My point is we can’t just look at Duran’s great wins of the 1980s. We also have to look at his low points in the same time span to balance things out. I considered him for my list but he had too many bad losses during the decade.