Comments Thread For: The ?sudden? decline of Chris Eubank Jnr can be traced back to 2019

[Coverdale]

I didn't think he was going to amount to much years ago, but he kept relevant with his name and all.

Question, since I commented on a Julio Chavez Jr. article a moment ago.

Whose the better of the kids? Chavez Jr. Eubank Jr. or Benn Jr.? lol

Chavez Jr.

[SteveM]

Chris Eubank Junior should never have moved back down from Super Middle Weight to Middle Weight divisions 'that was his biggest mistake'.

Yes Eubank Junior has been involved in many big domestic fights, and whether people like to admit it or not? He has beaten some really solid fighters 'win or lose he has always shown that he is really tough, and has masses of resolve inside the boxing ring. Lonsdale British Champion, and IBO World Champion I personally think he has had a commendable career'.

But during the latter stages of his career, Chris Eubank Junior has lost fights in a manner which he should not have 'all because he has been one of those modern day fighters, who believe it is essential that they weight drain themselves to compete at unnatural fighting weights'.

Note: Already by the time Chris Eubank Junior fought Liam Williams 'his usually really impressive endurance levels, had markedly decreased. Former fighters such as Paul Smith Junior, were the first analysts from the boxing media to point this out. He stated in his own words? That Chris Eubank Junior appears not to be able to fight at a high pace anymore, and he is fiddling his way through fights'.

Quite simply certain folk within the boxing community, act all mystified and confused by fighters declines 'when for an individual like myself, who has knowledge and experience in other sports beyond boxing. It was always commonsense and inevitable, that any fighter who incorporates weight draining practices into their lifestyle at some point is going to suffer serious consequences. They will all lose fights which, in solid form they would win. Or they will all be forced to moved up in weight, or retire from the sport due to not being able to make their chosen weight class in optimal condition. We see those very stories play out, time and time again in boxing and certain folk act all clueless like they don't know why'.

Chris Eubank Junior vs Conor Benn II 'his body just could not take it anymore. Physiologically the negative accumulative effects of his lifestyle to make 160 pounds, especially with a added rehydration clause decreased his conditioning, durability and overall well-being. To the point where, in my opinion he should not have fought Conor Benn II at 160 pounds'.

The rematch should have been at 168 pounds, with no rehydration clause in an ideal world 'but this is modern day boxing, and like I have been saying for a very long time. The lower weight divisions, really is not a competition to see primarily who the best fighters are. It is a competition much of the time, to see which fighters can weight drain themselves the best then maintain their fitness. Since post 1980 lower weight class boxing, from a pure competitive perception has decreased in significance and value'.

To conclude: Chris Eubank Junior has paid the price, for his use of backwards training practices 'that no other top athletes in sports such as Soccer, Basketball, Rugby, Tennis, Track and Field athletes use'.

Maybe the good business he made from his two fights vs Conor Benn I & II 'will make him feel better. But in years from now when? The material things disappear; YOU are only left with your legacy. And the facts are? Chris Eubank Junior has lost two fights which he should not have vs Liam Smith I, and Conor Benn II'.

Eubank Junior has damaged his very commendable boxing career and resume 'also because he chased material gain. This was clear to see. This current modern era of boxing, is an unprecedented time for this type of behaviour and condition in my observation'.

Overall people that understand boxing, and physiology 'know why Chris Eubank Junior's decline was rapidly decreased during the past few years. It is no mystery, it is down to the backwards utilisation of toxic modern day boxing practices such as weight draining tactics' etc.

You are totally right about the weight draining. Specifically, some fighters enhance their legacy because they are just genetically better at weight drawing. Haney and Crawford at 135. Benavidez at 168. Zurdo at 168. Espinosa at 126. Fighters should be weighed two hours before the fight. Promoters don't like this because fights would often get cancelled due to weight failure but this could be circumnavigated.

[SteveM]

I didn't think he was going to amount to much years ago, but he kept relevant with his name and all.

Question, since I commented on a Julio Chavez Jr. article a moment ago.

Whose the better of the kids? Chavez Jr. Eubank Jr. or Benn Jr.? lol

Didn't Chavez jr. Fight for a world title against Martinez?
Mayweather jr. was best by a longshot

[ELPacman]

Didn't Chavez jr. Fight for a world title against Martinez?
Mayweather jr. was best by a longshot

Yeah, I kind of expect Chavez Jr. to be the better among the 3 as terrible as he is. That says a lot about them 3, lol.

[The D3vil]

He should've stayed at 168.

He probably would've won the Canelo sweepstakes by now.

He was about as low-risk/high reward as you could get.

[factsarenice]

Eubank lost me with that Abe Lincoln beard and track ready black leather motorcycle outfit. Who ever told him that was a good look lied.

[Lance98]

Eubank jr moved down to MW from SMW because he didn't liked what he saw. He wouldn't have lasted this long. The division has multiple tough fights that he can't win against. MW was stagnant during that time after all the big names moved up, so he moved down. Convenient...

[b Murphington]

I remember first watching him vs George Groves way back in 2018.

I remember he did decent at times, but for the most part, it looked like he just got outboxed. It was a competitive, but clear decision for Groves. And that was all I really needed to see.

Eubank looked like a limited boxer to me.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You are totally right about the weight draining. Specifically, some fighters enhance their legacy because they are just genetically better at weight drawing. Haney and Crawford at 135. Benavidez at 168. Zurdo at 168. Espinosa at 126. Fighters should be weighed two hours before the fight. Promoters don't like this because fights would often get cancelled due to weight failure but this could be circumnavigated.

This has become more and more common post 1980, after the weigh in rules were altered 'Obviously certain powers that be within the game. For whatever reasons do not want to tackle this issue in the lower weight divisions, because in my opinion? As you know boxing weigh ins now, are also a part of the show'.

There is modern day toxic culture in boxing, which starts in the amateur ranks 'I have seen it, and been around amateur fighters being conditioned to think? Weight draining tactics are a mandatory in the sport of boxing. It is not a mandatory, and has only really appeared in recent decades'.

Note: Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Rocky Graziano 'none of those fighters were weight draining themselves before a fight, then gaining 15 to 20 pounds of weight after their weigh ins. It was not a part of boxing culture back during those eras. That is why I state? In many ways especially in the lower weight classes, boxing has gone backwards. And it is no longer a competition primarily, to see who the best fighters are. It is a competition, much of the time to see? Which fighters can weight drain themselves the best then maintain their fitness on fight night. Only after this does the skill level of the fighter become major attribute in the fight'.

To conclude: I am not claiming and have never rated Chris Eubank Junior as an elite level fighter 'but he is for sure, a miles better fighter than Conor Benn who has not won any domestic or European level titles. Chris Eubank Junior once upon a time, was unequivocally the best Middle Weight fighter in Great Britain. And he was a borderline World level fighter i.e. Eubank Junior has won and lost against numerous World level fighters during his career'.

I am disappointed in Chris Eubank Junior and his team really 'for not being tougher, in the negotiations and making this rematch at 168 pounds without a rehydration clause. Fighters lose all the time and that is alright, but? When fighters lose fights they have the ability to win, those type of loses affect fighters negatively'.

The rematch between Conor Benn and Chris Eubank Junior II, in retrospect was unnecessary 'but Eubank Junior fell for the bait, and could not resist selling himself out for material gain. Those are the facts from my observation' etc.

[SteveM]

I remember first watching him vs George Groves way back in 2018.

I remember he did decent at times, but for the most part, it looked like he just got outboxed. It was a competitive, but clear decision for Groves. And that was all I really needed to see.

Eubank looked like a limited boxer to me.

At his best he was capable at Euro level but not elite.

As for Benn, to my eyes, and especially considering the failed ped test, he is nowhere near euro level or would be in an almighty struggle to win the British title at 147 Vs Caterall, Essuman or Crocker.

But Benn will never fight at 147 again.