Comments Thread For: The one that got away for Roy Jones Jnr wouldn?t have done so today

[Oregonian]

Margarito wasn't washed up. Floyd dodged Mosley when Shane asked him for a fight at 135. Floyd also dodged prime Cotto, Pac, Casamayor, Freitas, Harris, Wright, Martinez, Tszyu, Williams, Forrest, the list goes on.

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So you are celebrating Manny beating Margarito who was coming off a spectacular KO loss to Mosley at a catchweight of 150 for a vacant 154 title. That’s your standard for greatness?
Floyd was fighting at 130 in 2000. Mosley fought Oscar in 2000 at 147.

As for your “prime” definition, why didn’t a “prime” PAC fight Floyd in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 or 2009? Why wait for Floyd to get old? That’s EXACTLY what Freddy Roach said and I can quote him - he said “Floyd is old, he’s lost his footwork and Manny can catch him”. Those were his words.

Floyd moved to 140 in 2005. When exactly was he supposed to fight Tszyu who was busy quitting on his stool when he lost to Hatton?

You are just throwing out names that you probably heard from like-minded individuals who just parrot what they read on social media.

Forrest and Winky were fighting at 154 when Floyd was at 135 so when exactly should Floyd have fought them? Or you’re saying he should have skipped three weight classes to fight those guys?

As for Cotto, do you know what his uncle and trainer said when Floyd moved to 140 in 2005? “WE ARE NOT READY TO FIGHT FLOYD”. Cotto himself admitted this prior to fighting Floyd in 2012 but according to you, Floyd ducked him.

Vivian Harris, really? You ever heard of Carlos Moussa? He wiped the floor with Harris in June of 2005. That same June is when Floyd moved up to 140 to destroy Gatti so how exactly did Floyd duck him?

You clearly don’t know jack about boxing.

[The Big Dunce]

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So you are celebrating Manny beating Margarito who was coming off a spectacular KO loss to Mosley at a catchweight of 150 for a vacant 154 title. That’s your standard for greatness?
Floyd was fighting at 130 in 2000. Mosley fought Oscar in 2000 at 147.

As for your “prime” definition, why didn’t a “prime” PAC fight Floyd in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 or 2009? Why wait for Floyd to get old? That’s EXACTLY what Freddy Roach said and I can quote him - he said “Floyd is old, he’s lost his footwork and Manny can catch him”. Those were his words.

Floyd moved to 140 in 2005. When exactly was he supposed to fight Tszyu who was busy quitting on his stool when he lost to Hatton?

You are just throwing out names that you probably heard from like-minded individuals who just parrot what they read on social media.

Forrest and Winky were fighting at 154 when Floyd was at 135 so when exactly should Floyd have fought them? Or you’re saying he should have skipped three weight classes to fight those guys?

As for Cotto, do you know what his uncle and trainer said when Floyd moved to 140 in 2005? “WE ARE NOT READY TO FIGHT FLOYD”. Cotto himself admitted this prior to fighting Floyd in 2012 but according to you, Floyd ducked him.

Vivian Harris, really? You ever heard of Carlos Moussa? He wiped the floor with Harris in June of 2005. That same June is when Floyd moved up to 140 to destroy Gatti so how exactly did Floyd duck him?

You clearly don’t know jack about boxing.

You’re obsessed with Manny and Floyd. Every thread they are mentioned draws you in like flies on ****. You’ll always be locked and loaded with excuses to defend Floyd. News flash, he’s not relevant, and when he was he was toxic to the sport. You seem like someone who is prone to hero worship and cultish indoctrination.

[vital1983]

Not true regarding with Roy being part of the problem! It was a one-sided failure due entirely to Klaus Peter Kohl on many occasions.

I followed every single thing, every single day regarding those two; every article, every word spoken about this.

Little known facts:

1. Murad Muhammad went to Germany to negotiate a fight in Germany between the two and DM's promoter and Universum head Klaus Peter Kohl wanted to pay DM double what they were offering Jones. Jones was being offered the usual 5Mill he normally makes, DM was to get either 8Mill or 10Mill.

2. DM was scheduled to fight Telesco on ESPN to build his brand in the US and Marty Mulcahy even showed the scheduling of the fight on his fight schedule on fight news dot com. DM pulled out because there was not enough money. This was during the time when Telesco was on a major roll on ESPN.

3. DM was offered a co main event on HBO but declined due to the money.

4. Klaus Peter Kohl was often unavailable for phone calls, this fact was documented through research by fight news dot com.

An article:

In 2001, Roy's advisor Brad Jacobs, met with Kerry Davis VP for HBO, and they tried desperately to make the fight. All they heard was crickets.

Peter Kohl who was DM's advisor was never available to sit down and discuss terms. He was also never available via phone, and he wouldn't even name a figure to get the ball rolling.

HBO also proposed the idea of a double header to hype the fight. A lot of U.S. fans had hardly seen DM fight, so HBO wanted to put both fighters on the same bill, to stir interest in a fight.

This was turned down by Kohl.

If DM and Kohl had been serious about a fight, they never would have turned down that opportunity.

Murad Muhammad gave an interview in 2003, and he said that DM was asking for a $6M purse, and he was making between $1-1.5M per fight in Germany.

According to a recent interview with Roy from June only a few years ago, HBO actually offered him DM $5M, and he turned it down.

All you have to do, is go and look at DM's resume, to see how serious he was about fighting the likes of Roy, Tarver and Harding etc. He never left his comfort zone in Germany. He was happy defending his WBO belt for decent money against C class, even fighters which had already been beaten easily by Roy.

If DM and Kohl had wanted Roy bad enough, they'd have agreed to the HBO double header, which was a great idea to market a superfight, perfect buildup like HBO often did back in the day, and then afterwards they'd have had a superfight.

Instead, team DM turned down the opportunity - to fight Hall, Harmon and De Grandis instead.

That's how bad they wanted Roy. Not.

They turned down $5M for Roy, to finally fight Joey De Grandis for $1-1.5M.

DM was all talk. His resume tells you what his intentions were. The best fighter in the world shouldn't have had to have gone to Germany in 2001, ESPECIALLY based on being the victim of the worst robbery in the HISTORY of the Olympics the last time he was in front of foreign judges in a foreign country getting flat out robbed in Korea. Jones was PFP which overshadows a division ranking of DM. PFP #1 is clearly A side.

Good lowdown.

[Oregonian]

You’re obsessed with Manny and Floyd. Every thread they are mentioned draws you in like flies on ****. You’ll always be locked and loaded with excuses to defend Floyd. News flash, he’s not relevant, and when he was he was toxic to the sport. You seem like someone who is prone to hero worship and cultish indoctrination.

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Yet here you are doing exactly the same thing. Always locked and loaded to defend your hero PAC. He’s not relevant anymore.
You seem like someone who is prone to hero worship and cultish indoctrination with your pinoy idol.