Comparing Usyk to Ali is laughable.

[famicommander]

I understand that. I still think that all three fights were close enough, maybe with a bit of bias, but not a complete robbery.

It was pure reputation. If the other guy was anyone else Norton has three solid UD wins. Ali got rounds he didn't earn because he was Ali.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

So then Peterson deserves full credit for his win over Khan? Taylor over Catterall? That's what the resume says.

Clown shoes. You can keep calling me pathetic all you want but you're engaging in the same exact behavior, except also demonstrating an extreme lack of reading comprehension and/or basic reasoning while you do it.

Again, you made this topic to make the case for Ali over Usyk. Then you mentioned clear robberies in support of that argument. That's really, really dumb.

Where did I say Ali deserves full credit? I was simply listing his resume you incoherent *****.

People will acknowledge official results over your irrelevant opinion. Period.

Peterson-Khan weren’t no robbery too, same as Ali-Norton 2, close fights. You’ll be talking about “the man in the hat” next.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I understand that. I still think that all three fights were close enough, maybe with a bit of bias, but not a complete robbery.

2 certainly isn’t a robbery. Ali arguably could have won 1 too. I felt Norton got jobbed in fight 3, but it’s all opinion at the end of the day. Regardless of what we think the official result stands.

[TheProudLunatic]

Honestly, Usyk would beat the most of them.

prove me I am wrong. You canīt so..

Take your complaints up with ProBum and have her shut down that "Fantasy Fight" section.
Tim Witherspoon > Usyk
Prove me wrong

" 'Spoon has loses...haha"
So would Usyk if he fought in a real HW era

[TheProudLunatic]

Usyk is knocking in the door being a top 8 all time heavyweight.

Oleksandr Usyk’s case for being a top-12 all-time heavyweight is strong but depends on how you weigh different factors. His resume is elite: undisputed cruiserweight champion, undisputed heavyweight champion (WBA, WBC, WBO, IBF), and wins over top-tier opponents like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury, and Daniel Dubois. There is no question as he has beaten each man twice.

His technical mastery—footwork, angles, and punch accuracy, combined with his ring IQ and natural 12+ round stamina where he does not need any breaks and forces the other man to match his never ending movement or be out angled and not have their feet set to throw a punchh—is arguably unmatched in the division’s history. He’s also got an Olympic gold medal (2012) and a perfect 24-0, 15 KO's. At 6'3" 255 pounds he is neither short, or lacking reach. Very few heavies were faster handed and and had swifter feet. Very few had better reflexes. You could count them on one head. His chin is very good.

Beating Fury in their rematch (December 2024) further solidified his legacy, making him the first to unify all four major belts in the four-belt era and defend them.

However, ranking him top-12 all-time invites debate due to the heavyweight division’s storied history. Legends like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Larry Holmes, Vitlai Klitscko, and Wladimir Klitschko dominate such lists in my opinion.

Each has a mix of dominance, longevity, cultural impact, or iconic fights that Usyk, at 38 with only eight heavyweight bouts, doesn’t fully match yet.
No heavyweight has matched his cruiser-to-heavyweight undisputed double, and his win over Fury, a 6’9” giant, showcases his ability to overcome size disadvantages with skill.f opposition. However he needs more title defenses to crack the upper echelon. He has not finished boxing yet ( he has 1.5 - 2 more good years left in my opinion ) and can rate a bit higher.

How? By beating younger pros like Parker, Kayabel, Hrgovic, and Jarolov and having them carve out their own legacy when he retires. He has ducked no man and had no oops moments ( losses, draws, or questionable decisions ) like every one else does above him on the all time list.

IMO, he is a top 12 all time great heavyweight.

He would likey beat Tucker, Berbick, Valuev, Morrison, Moorer, Ruiz, Lyle, Shavers, Spinks, and Tua.

Arguments can be made for the other names you listed.

- Dr Z

This is the perfect HW era for a guy to "dominate"
Usyk is good.
Not top 10 good.

Those bold names
Are they supposed to mean something ?!?!?