andre ward - he is no great

[Coverdale]

He was an illegitimate creation who had to rely on boxing politics. That's why he refused to join super six unless he got all the fights at home. He knew he could get away with wrestling and headbutting nonstop if he had to...and he had to.

Then after that he refused to fight anyone good ducking guys like ggg and bute while trying to fight guys like dmitri sartison and his own promoter said I can't make him take the fights...so he got kicked to the curb.

Then he robbed Kovalev blind and retired. The entitlement. Its like the boxing establishment thought if we keep propping him up we will eventually get something in return..they didn't.

I actually like Ward on a personal level, intelligent guy. But him not fighting outside the US (beside two fights in the Caribbean) is a major knock on him and US fighters generally. We witnessed a US referee trying to help Berlanga last night by delaying the restart of the fight and this kind of stuff happens too often.

[QballLobo]

But the low blows cotto used on judah didn't knock him down a notch for you did they?
Smh

IDKAF about Cotto. Hope that helps you.

[daggum]

I actually like Ward on a personal level, intelligent guy. But him not fighting outside the US (beside two fights in the Caribbean) is a major knock on him and US fighters generally. We witnessed a US referee trying to help Berlanga last night by delaying the restart of the fight and this kind of stuff happens too often.

Conniving and manipulating denotes intelligence in a certain way. Evil way. The way he ducked ggg as confirmed by his own promoter and then later tried to do a "get back" by pretending ggg ducked him by sending a crap offer he knew ggg would never accept. Total psychopath. Then running to the media "look everyone he didnt accept a phony offer!"

Ward gave it away when he said we thought ggg was free to fight yet he didn't offer to fivht him until 2 fights down the road as confirmed by roc nation. If you thought he was free why not offer to fight him now? Oh because he might accept that since hes free. He won't accept a fight that will conflict with canelo. Ward knew that. Very strategic.

And yes ward having all hometown fights wouldnt have been an issue but we saw the fights and it was pure shenanigans in many of them. Essentially it was his back up plan if things didnt go to plan.

Any time he was challenged he resorted to wrestle mania mode where anything goes and the rules went out the window. Whenever he wasn't challenged he boxed like any other boxer would. No need to cheat so he didnt.

I just remembered against Sullivan Barrera he knocked him down with a low blow and I think he was expecting the ref to start counting it as a knock down but the ref actually took a point. surprising yes but ward was easily winning the fight so tbe ref could say "hey I'm impartial, I'm a good ref" reality is when refs had the chance to punish ward in fights that hung in the balance they failed every time. Not a coincidence.

He easily could have been dq'd in several fights and the dynamic of many of his fights would have severely changed if he had been warned and punished for clear cheating. No one goes back and watches a ward fight. They simply don't hold up.

[Hustle]

IDKAF about Cotto. Hope that helps you.

You give af about kovalev. Got it

[Grandma Lover]

Extremely overrated but at the same time not cause nobody mentions him lmao

[Hustle]

He was an illegitimate creation who had to rely on boxing politics. That's why he refused to join super six unless he got all the fights at home. He knew he could get away with wrestling and headbutting nonstop if he had to...and he had to.

Then after that he refused to fight anyone good ducking guys like ggg and bute while trying to fight guys like dmitri sartison and his own promoter said I can't make him take the fights...so he got kicked to the curb.

Then he robbed Kovalev blind and retired. The entitlement. Its like the boxing establishment thought if we keep propping him up we will eventually get something in return..they didn't.

Ward didnt fight abraham or froch in oakland. So your first point is debunked

Only 1 contract has ever been offered for a ward vs ggg fight and it was offered by team ward. According to Abel Sanchez, the offer came to late because they already signed to fight david lemieux. These are team ggg words, not mines

Got off the canvas in round 2 of the first fight to go on and end kovalev career as a p4p fighter over the next 17 rounds

[Hagler★]

He was an illegitimate creation who had to rely on boxing politics. That's why he refused to join super six unless he got all the fights at home. He knew he could get away with wrestling and headbutting nonstop if he had to...and he had to.

Then after that he refused to fight anyone good ducking guys like ggg and bute while trying to fight guys like dmitri sartison and his own promoter said I can't make him take the fights...so he got kicked to the curb.

Then he robbed Kovalev blind and retired. The entitlement. Its like the boxing establishment thought if we keep propping him up we will eventually get something in return..they didn't.

This isn't true though is it?

He didn't refuse, he negotiated and everyone else agreed because he wasn't deemed a threat. If they had said "nah, you're not big enough to make such a request" I don't think he would have pulled out

[Simurgh]

I wouldn’t put him on the level of rjj or joe calzhage, but he is HoF, no doubt. He lost the 1st Kovalev fight clearly, but rematched him and won the 2nd. To me he is probably the level of beterbiev if he was to retire right now with a single loss to bivol.

[GhostofDempsey]

He was a dirty, boring fighter. There are highlight videos of all his dirtiest tactics. Just look at Kessler’s face after all the elbows. Should have been DQ’d for the low blows on Kovalev and several others.

[Boxing 112]

First ballot HOF’er.

HOF'er doesn't mean **** it's not prestigious