Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao, Sean Gibbons are already firing off the wins

[ELPacman]

while pacquiao was preparing to fight spence, ugas was preparing for pacquiao.!!

manny will correct the record here as long as pbc dont try another bait and switch, !

I don't think so man. Pac, even if he was preparing for Spence, Ugas wasn't that unique of a fighter overall that Pac hadn't faced before. In his younger years, he would have at least won a decision over Ugas, but just nothing was clicking. His timing was very off, his footwork looked to be lagging. It just wasn't him and he truly had the look of a fighter that go old overnight, but the fact was, he was just old, especially for the division. I really think his Keith Thurman performance was when they say an old fighter has one last great performance in them.

My only excuse that I could have come up with for the Ugas loss and only because it's gone through my mind, but I don't think it would have mattered either way is that Pacquiao over trained because he thought he was facing Spence. Some of the training footage leading up to that had Pacquiao moving faster than I'd seen him in awhile and I thought this was nuts. I honestly thought Spence caught some of those videos and it lead him to pull out of the fight because he thought he was just going to be facing an old Pacquiao. Though the fact that Pacquiao pulled it off vs Thurman which no doubt surprised Spence and seeing how good Pacquiao was looking in training, it may have given him some doubts. Either way, Pacquiao then turned up looking like total crap vs Ugas. Whether he overtrained for a different opponent or just got old, that was the last true performance from Pacquiao at the higher level.

Now he's like 5 years older from that performance and you expect him to be just as good as he was in his early/mid 30s or something? lol. He's had muscle deterioration, no doubt. It just happens naturally over 40 and the lack of testosterone production. You can see his arms look skinnier than ever and his "fast" movements we see in current training don't have the same "strength" movement behind them. That's almost impossible to explain, but if you watched Pac doing the same training in his 30s compared to now, you would know what I'm talking about. It's like he's pretending to be fast vs actually being fast and strong where all his connective tissue are moving the arms, from the shoulder to the fist.

[YOU WILL LOSE]

It's just a matter of time before Pac's head explodes due to all the PEDs.

remember when ugas showed up with that blown up bicep against pacquiao. it was about to explode. looked like he just took a syringe out of it.!!

i wonder how the drug protocol worked for ugas that fight with replacement timeline. ??? we know pac was being tested regularly for spence, we know nothing about ugas though.

pac got double crossed so badly , he needs to watch himself doing business with pbc!!

[YOU WILL LOSE]

I don't think so man. Pac, even if he was preparing for Spence, Ugas wasn't that unique of a fighter overall that Pac hadn't faced before. In his younger years, he would have at least won a decision over Ugas, but just nothing was clicking. His timing was very off, his footwork looked to be lagging. It just wasn't him and he truly had the look of a fighter that go old overnight, but the fact was, he was just old, especially for the division. I really think his Keith Thurman performance was when they say an old fighter has one last great performance in them.

My only excuse that I could have come up with for the Ugas loss and only because it's gone through my mind, but I don't think it would have mattered either way is that Pacquiao over trained because he thought he was facing Spence. Some of the training footage leading up to that had Pacquiao moving faster than I'd seen him in awhile and I thought this was nuts. I honestly thought Spence caught some of those videos and it lead him to pull out of the fight because he thought he was just going to be facing an old Pacquiao. Though the fact that Pacquiao pulled it off vs Thurman which no doubt surprised Spence and seeing how good Pacquiao was looking in training, it may have given him some doubts. Either way, Pacquiao then turned up looking like total crap vs Ugas. Whether he overtrained for a different opponent or just got old, that was the last true performance from Pacquiao at the higher level.

Now he's like 5 years older from that performance and you expect him to be just as good as he was in his early/mid 30s or something? lol. He's had muscle deterioration, no doubt. It just happens naturally over 40 and the lack of testosterone production. You can see his arms look skinnier than ever and his "fast" movements we see in current training don't have the same "strength" movement behind them. That's almost impossible to explain, but if you watched Pac doing the same training in his 30s compared to now, you would know what I'm talking about. It's like he's pretending to be fast vs actually being fast and strong where all his connective tissue are moving the arms, from the shoulder to the fist.

it was all bad but, pac wanted the show to go on for the fans. and ugas still left that fight looking like the elephant man.

[Century Tuna]

Barrios is gonna knock out Pacquiao so bad, even Marquez will feel embarrassed his KO wasn’t that brutal.

[PRINCEKOOL]

If boxing was a data driven sport, then? I think more people would be giving Manny Pacquiao a chance of beating Mario Barrios 'And what I mean by being a data driven sport, is the performances of the fighters and their conditioning is easily measured and translated into data. Sports such as Track and Field Athletics, Cycling, Swimming, Formula One and many other motor sports are all data driven sports. The decisions the competitors make in those sports, is highly influenced by the data and statistics from their training'.

If Carl Lewis suddenly announced to the world that he is coming out of retirement 'As he has been training for many months in secret, and he believes that he can compete against the World top level sprinters. Then you would have to believe the reason why he is saying such a thing, is because he has produced performances and completed training sessions which accurately measure his condition. The time on the stopwatch is purely objective, it is not based on opinion just pure physics'.

Fernando Alonso a formula one driver, when he very first made a return to formula one in 2021 'He was being asked all subjective and opinionated questions by the media. Alonso responded by saying? The only thing that really matters in this sport, is the time on stopwatch and the statistics. Alonso is still a elite level driver, his team know this due to the data which he performances have produced'.

Now when it comes to boxing 'People within the sport a lot of the time, don't analyse the data of performances or take it very seriously. And then the fighters in reality, have no real accurate way of measuring and comparing their current conditioning. Many decisions fighters and their teams make is based on subjective opinion, which could be influenced by nonsense i.e. I have many times on this forum backed up my opinions with statistics, most recently I stated that Anthony Joshua's two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II in comparison to Tyson Fury's two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II. The data and statistics from all four fights, show that Joshua fought better against Uysk twice back to back than Fury'.

Note: In brief the statistics of the fight action from all four fights, showed that Oleksandr Uysk in order to beat Anthony Joshua twice back to back 'Had to produce a greater effort, than he did up against Tyson Fury in their fights. Uysk had to produce a higher work rate against Joshua, in order to land a similar amount of punches that he did on Tyson Fury'.

The only area of the 48 round of action where Tyson Fury did better than Anthony Joshua 'Was being able to land more punches. That is it. But in all other areas of boxing, Anthony Joshua actually fought a better fight twice back to back than Tyson Fury. The statistics of the fight action, show there is hardcore evidence to back up this observation and opinion of mine'.

To conclude: Now coming back to Manny Pacquaio's return to the game. I am not one of those people, who would automatically disregard his chances of winning vs Mario Barrios. But the question is? What is Manny Pacquaio basing his certainty off that he is going to beat Mario Barrios? Who is Pacquaio training with? Because I am sure training with other top level Welterweight fighters would aid in more accurately measuring his form'.

Looking back in retrospect to a fighter who I supported David Haye 'I personally pretty much knew that in the latter part of his career, his own self assessment of his form was way off. David Haye once upon a time would pull out all the tops during his training; the level of sparring partners he would assemble was extremely impressive. The only Heavyweight fighter from his era that could rival him in this area of work ethic was Wladimir Kiltschko'.

But when I saw brief footage of David Haye's training for his fights against Tony Bellew I & II 'Especially the second fight. I could see that Haye was trying to train himself around his injuries, by doing exercises and training routines that don't really correlate into producing the Hayemaker in solid form. I believe that David Haye himself would have known this, but? He was choosing to disregard the data quite courageously fight'.

I have always believed that it was a tactical move by Eddie Hearn and match room 'To rush David Haye back into a rematch vs Toney Bellew II, after first recovering from the first fight then unfortunately picking up a injury in preparation for their second fight. They were aware that they could not give Haye a optimal amount of time to recover. Because even during the first fight with a injured leg, Haye was still able to push Bellew to his absolute limits and beyond.

David Haye's performance vs Toney Bellew I was one of his greatest ever performances inside the boxing ring 'Because on that night he proved that he was gladiator, beyond any doubt. For me it was a great time for him to retire, because he had now proven everything inside of a boxing ring. He had been a Former Unified and Lineal Ring Magazine Cruiserweight World Champion, and WBA World Heavyweight Champion. The courage he displayed vs Toney Bellew I, solidified him as a gladiator'.

Nobody knows what situation Manny Pacquiao is in right now 'I think his true form is a mystery until fight night. But If Pacquiao can hammer himself into solid condition, and then you would have to give him a serious chance of winning. I guess that is all part of the intrigue of this fight' etc.

[ELPacman]

If boxing was a data driven sport, then? I think more people would be giving Manny Pacquiao a chance of beating Mario Barrios 'And what I mean by being a data driven sport, is the performances of the fighters and their conditioning is easily measured and translated into data. Sports such as Track and Field Athletics, Cycling, Swimming, Formula One and many other motor sports are all data driven sports. The decisions the competitors make in those sports, is highly influenced by the data and statistics from their training'.

If Carl Lewis suddenly announced to the world that he is coming out of retirement 'As he has been training for many months in secret, and he believes that he can compete against the World top level sprinters. Then you would have to believe the reason why he is saying such a thing, is because he has produced performances and completed training sessions which accurately measure his condition. The time on the stopwatch is purely objective, it is not based on opinion just pure physics'.

Fernando Alonso a formula one driver, when he very first made a return to formula one in 2021 'He was being asked all subjective and opinionated questions by the media. Alonso responded by saying? The only thing that really matters in this sport, is the time on stopwatch and the statistics. Alonso is still a elite level driver, his team know this due to the data which he performances have produced'.

Now when it comes to boxing 'People within the sport a lot of the time, don't analyse the data of performances or take it very seriously. And then the fighters in reality, have no real accurate way of measuring and comparing their current conditioning. Many decisions fighters and their teams make is based on subjective opinion, which could be influenced by nonsense i.e. I have many times on this forum backed up my opinions with statistics, most recently I stated that Anthony Joshua's two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II in comparison to Tyson Fury's two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II. The data and statistics from all four fights, show that Joshua fought better against Uysk twice back to back than Fury'.

Note: In brief the statistics of the fight action from all four fights, showed that Oleksandr Uysk in order to beat Anthony Joshua twice back to back 'Had to produce a greater effort, than he did up against Tyson Fury in their fights. Uysk had to produce a higher work rate against Joshua, in order to land a similar amount of punches that he did on Tyson Fury'.

The only area of the 48 round of action where Tyson Fury did better than Anthony Joshua 'Was being able to land more punches. That is it. But in all other areas of boxing, Anthony Joshua actually fought a better fight twice back to back than Tyson Fury. The statistics of the fight action, show there is hardcore evidence to back up this observation and opinion of mine'.

To conclude: Now coming back to Manny Pacquaio's return to the game. I am not one of those people, who would automatically disregard his chances of winning vs Mario Barrios. But the question is? What is Manny Pacquaio basing his certainty off that he is going to beat Mario Barrios? Who is Pacquaio training with? Because I am sure training with other top level Welterweight fighters would aid in more accurately measuring his form'.

Looking back in retrospect to a fighter who I supported David Haye 'I personally pretty much knew that in the latter part of his career, his own self assessment of his form was way off. David Haye once upon a time would pull out all the tops during his training; the level of sparring partners he would assemble was extremely impressive. The only Heavyweight fighter from his era that could rival him in this area of work ethic was Wladimir Kiltschko'.

But when I saw brief footage of David Haye's training for his fights against Tony Bellew I & II 'Especially the second fight. I could see that Haye was trying to train himself around his injuries, by doing exercises and training routines that don't really correlate into producing the Hayemaker in solid form. I believe that David Haye himself would have known this, but? He was choosing to disregard the data quite courageously fight'.

I have always believed that it was a tactical move by Eddie Hearn and match room 'To rush David Haye back into a rematch vs Toney Bellew II, after first recovering from the first fight then unfortunately picking up a injury in preparation for their second fight. They were aware that they could not give Haye a optimal amount of time to recover. Because even during the first fight with a injured leg, Haye was still able to push Bellew to his absolute limits and beyond.

David Haye's performance vs Toney Bellew I was one of his greatest ever performances inside the boxing ring 'Because on that night he proved that he was gladiator, beyond any doubt. For me it was a great time for him to retire, because he had now proven everything inside of a boxing ring. He had been a Former Unified and Lineal Ring Magazine Cruiserweight World Champion, and WBA World Heavyweight Champion. The courage he displayed vs Toney Bellew I, solidified him as a gladiator'.

Nobody knows what situation Manny Pacquiao is in right now 'I think his true form is a mystery until fight night. But If Pacquiao can hammer himself into solid condition, and then you would have to give him a serious chance of winning. I guess that is all part of the intrigue of this fight' etc.

If there is one thing you can count on Manny doing is training. The dude has always been a gym rat as it's been well documented and stated from many folks. Though, no matter the amount of training, boxing is a young man's game. You require timing, reflects and legs of a younger person to truly be effective. No matter how bad people are saying Barrios is, him vs a dude 16 years older than him? I think Barrios should be favored at least 75-25 or 80-20.

That might be similar to a 20yr old who has nearly zero boxing ability knocking out let's imagine a 75yr old Mike Tyson whose just f**king old. No disrespect to the seniors out there, but there is a reason we call them that. They're living life as best they can until death and not looking to put in a "physical" performance of any kind at that age.