Comments Thread For: 10 of the best Manny Pacquiao wins

[Oregonian]

Bro, are you MAGA or what? There is no simple Y/N answer because there are nuances involved that the people need to know who weren't alive or there when those events took place. Now, I'm not sure if you're a Mayweather fan or not and that's where your anger comes from, but the same could be applied to his opponents as well. The difference is Mayweather intentionally went out seeking ways to handicap his opponents. Pac tried to meet his opponents early on at WW at some sort of middle ground because he was naturally the smaller guy. It's not hard to get that concept. I believe after Cotto, he went full fledge WW and then didn't care that his opponents weighed the max of WW at 147lbs.

I feel like the majority of the questions stem from 2 bouts really. Oscar and Cotto. I laid out the key reasons those two bouts took place at the weights that they did and if you can't get that, I'm not sure what else to do to help that. Not everything in life is a simple Y/N. I personally prefer details and facts.

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You are reasonable enough. I will mention one more bout - fighting Margarito at 150 for a VACANT 154 title. That was some serious horse manure especially because Manny would have beaten him without the catchweight. Not to mention Margarito had been destroyed by Mosley just a year prior.

[ELPacman]

You seem angrier than me, bro (Why include politics ).

Some people avoid my questions because they are too detail oriented.
I wrongly assumed keeping it short would be easier
As you've noticed, Pac Bois HATE attaching names to his accomplishments.
Any Pac Boi who feels Pac beating DLH and Cotto are legit are not fight fans.
They are hypocrites who love Pac too much to be honest.

Either way, we both know the answers to the questions

EDIT
Yes
You did answer, albeit, in a very strange way...//// ?!?!?!
WTF

Ring/Peoples Champ, doe
Not all champs are made to be champs. The number of successful defences will sort that shlt out real quick (and if the div is dead, AKA, GGG's MW run, that will be evident AF).
Kudos for being as honest of a Pac fan I've encountered.

I don't believe the DLH win was "legit" as far as weight to weight, prime for prime. That's an obvious no, but like I said, context matters and haters against the win will rarely mention it was Oscar calling out Pac and not the other way around.

I'd argue the Cotto win was legit. I don't think the 2lbs made any difference. He made it on his first try. He's still WW. 147lbs is just the maximum you can weigh. Plenty of fighters don't weigh the actual maximum on weigh-in day. Cotto looked awesome in the fight until he got dropped a couple times and then it was all downhill. Though if you still want to argue it wasn't legit, you can by all means. I just don't think you'll get 100% agreement on that ever.

Ring People Champion in early 2000s or when I got into the sport, that was almost considered the most legit belt because it was based on merit of what you did and accomplished over perhaps a ranking system. I know, you would imagine a ranking system made most sense, but not if the people at the top of the rank earned their way beating the weakest competition even if the weakest competition themselves were ranked and allowed said guy to move up based on that.

Ring champion was considered THE champ recognized by the people all around the boxing world. Barrera would have been considered "the man" to beat if you wanted to be considered the king of the division, rankings aside. Barrera had just had an incredible run leading up to the Pacquiao bout. Most would say that Barrera took Pac lightly and may have not trained hard enough, but again, it is what it is. Is that Pacquiao's fault? The dude signed a contract, he should have been prepared for anyone he signed up to fight.

Pacquiao further proved his dominance by beating Barrera a second time, although Barrera was better prepared and didn't get stopped, though his strategy was mostly to get to the end this time while suffering as little damage as he could compared to their first encounter.

[ELPacman]

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You are reasonable enough. I will mention one more bout - fighting Margarito at 150 for a VACANT 154 title. That was some serious horse manure especially because Manny would have beaten him without the catchweight. Not to mention Margarito had been destroyed by Mosley just a year prior.

Yeah, I honestly don't even care about the fact he earned a belt against Margarito. I just enjoyed the beatdown he gave him because of the loaded gloves stuff. What made the win really incredible however is that Margarito had something of like a 17-18lbs weight increase on fight night. Nearly 20lbs heavier and Pac still managed to beat the snot out of him. I think it would only have been better if Margarito's corner stopped the fight before the 12th or that dumdum ref. If there was any fight that ever had to be stopped because a guy could hardly see and their face looked like mince meat, it was that one and they let it go. Perhaps his own corner wanted to see him get his a$$ beat, as did the ref for what he had done. It was crazy they let it go.

[TheProudLunatic]

I don't believe the DLH win was "legit" as far as weight to weight, prime for prime. That's an obvious no, but like I said, context matters and haters against the win will rarely mention it was Oscar calling out Pac and not the other way around.

I'd argue the Cotto win was legit. I don't think the 2lbs made any difference. He made it on his first try. He's still WW. 147lbs is just the maximum you can weigh. Plenty of fighters don't weigh the actual maximum on weigh-in day. Cotto looked awesome in the fight until he got dropped a couple times and then it was all downhill. Though if you still want to argue it wasn't legit, you can by all means. I just don't think you'll get 100% agreement on that ever.

Ring People Champion in early 2000s or when I got into the sport, that was almost considered the most legit belt because it was based on merit of what you did and accomplished over perhaps a ranking system. I know, you would imagine a ranking system made most sense, but not if the people at the top of the rank earned their way beating the weakest competition even if the weakest competition themselves were ranked and allowed said guy to move up based on that.

Ring champion was considered THE champ recognized by the people all around the boxing world. Barrera would have been considered "the man" to beat if you wanted to be considered the king of the division, rankings aside. Barrera had just had an incredible run leading up to the Pacquiao bout. Most would say that Barrera took Pac lightly and may have not trained hard enough, but again, it is what it is. Is that Pacquiao's fault? The dude signed a contract, he should have been prepared for anyone he signed up to fight.

Pacquiao further proved his dominance by beating Barrera a second time, although Barrera was better prepared and didn't get stopped, though his strategy was mostly to get to the end this time while suffering as little damage as he could compared to their first encounter.

Call outs are

I don't count Pac > Cotto LITE since there would be no Pac vs Cotto w/o the clause. Those 2 lbs meant everything.
And to not run it back without a clause was lame AF.
I mean, whats one more rematch on his resume ???
Like you said, he gave Marco a rematch 5 years after the 1st fight.

Ring "champ" was a nice idea in theory, not so much in practice.

Marco was a great fighter but also predictable. The prototypical Pac opp......willing to stand and trade and also not be too quick.

Marco
Erik
Sometime

That's about it.

[Oregonian]

Yeah, I honestly don't even care about the fact he earned a belt against Margarito. I just enjoyed the beatdown he gave him because of the loaded gloves stuff. What made the win really incredible however is that Margarito had something of like a 17-18lbs weight increase on fight night. Nearly 20lbs heavier and Pac still managed to beat the snot out of him. I think it would only have been better if Margarito's corner stopped the fight before the 12th or that dumdum ref. If there was any fight that ever had to be stopped because a guy could hardly see and their face looked like mince meat, it was that one and they let it go. Perhaps his own corner wanted to see him get his a$$ beat, as did the ref for what he had done. It was crazy they let it go.

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I wanted Manny to put that fool into a coma. For how he mocked Freddie Roach and for the loaded gloves. I was glad they let him take a beating like that.

[ELPacman]

Call outs are

I don't count Pac > Cotto LITE since there would be no Pac vs Cotto w/o the clause. Those 2 lbs meant everything.
And to not run it back without a clause was lame AF.
I mean, whats one more rematch on his resume ???
Like you said, he gave Marco a rematch 5 years after the 1st fight.

Ring "champ" was a nice idea in theory, not so much in practice.

Marco was a great fighter but also predictable. The prototypical Pac opp......willing to stand and trade and also not be too quick.

Marco
Erik
Sometime

That's about it.

What do you mean call outs are ..? If Oscar didn't call out Pac, it wouldn't have happened. Pac just won at 135lbs. Do you think he was anxious to immediately jump 2 weight classes?

Ring champ wasn't nice in theory. There were Ring champs in every division and you felt whoever had that title, was THE MAN.

Marco was great, but he was also the best at126lbs. Who would you have preferred Pac to face? Just because he's a Mexican champ and his style works for Pac means he's no good? So if a Mexican is a champ in every division and that makes it "easy" for Pac, that's his fault? I'm not sure I follow that. I also don't follow that he needs a guy who hits and moves to qualify as being "better" than Pac.

Pac out fought fighters and in boxing, fighters were who people came to watch. You could run back Pac-Mayweather a thousand times and I guaranteed the crowd would shrink every single time. Nobody would want to watch something like that over and over, even if Pac won and rematched Floyd. It was just BORING.

[TheProudLunatic]

What do you mean call outs are ..? If Oscar didn't call out Pac, it wouldn't have happened. Pac just won at 135lbs. Do you think he was anxious to immediately jump 2 weight classes?

Ring champ wasn't nice in theory. There were Ring champs in every division and you felt whoever had that title, was THE MAN.

Marco was great, but he was also the best at126lbs. Who would you have preferred Pac to face? Just because he's a Mexican champ and his style works for Pac means he's no good? So if a Mexican is a champ in every division and that makes it "easy" for Pac, that's his fault? I'm not sure I follow that. I also don't follow that he needs a guy who hits and moves to qualify as being "better" than Pac.

Pac out fought fighters and in boxing, fighters were who people came to watch. You could run back Pac-Mayweather a thousand times and I guaranteed the crowd would shrink every single time. Nobody would want to watch something like that over and over, even if Pac won and rematched Floyd. It was just BORING.

Anyone can "call out" someone.
Hence, GAF.
And no
Big named boxers don't need to call out anyone.
I'll say this until it gets through -
Moving UP is better than moving DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!
This is why it's rarely, IF EVER , done .
RJJ tried to move back down after beating Ruiz and it spelled the end of his career.

Prior to his 1st fight with Pac, Marco was flying high. Mostly due to his 12 rd domination over Hamed.
Prior to his rematch, MEH.
Guys like Marco, Erik and JMM are guys I watch and root for and would give them a chance to win vs most opps.
I detest the "who should C have fought ???"
This is why I can't put Holmes high on the ATG HW list.
H2H, he beats everyone.
Strength of resume, doe !!!!!!
Soft AF and I'm a fan.
instead of asking that question, just say the road was easy.

Had Pac agreed to RAMDOM blood tests, PBF would have annihilated him. PBF was just as explosive as Pac, only 1000x smarter.
MAY, on the other hand, was purely cerebral. And yes, not very exciting, if a fan is looking for concussive punches.
Some fight fans can appreciate the hit and not get hit approach.
Brains > Brawn

Gatti was a fan fave too
His best W

[djtmal]

Call outs are

.

It was funny how Runny IllegalIvWeather talked mad smack about ggg being nothing special, but when they said let's fight he was retired

[TheProudLunatic]

It was funny how Runny IllegalIvWeather talked mad smack about ggg being nothing special, but when they said let's fight he was retired

While Pac was roughed up and robbed by a part time special ed teacher

ATG match making

[djtmal]

While Pac was roughed up and robbed by a part time special ed teacher

ATG match making

I guess Floyd said I am a runner not a fighter