Where is Boxing heading?

[Kevin Jesus]

Was the sport of boxing always this corrupted even back in the 60s, and 70s, or is it a new thing?


Btw, I don't care who you are in Boxingscene, if you gave more than 3 rounds, 4 rounds tops to Froch..You don't know **** about boxing. Period.

Hang up your account and go watch "Cops", maybe you will watch these paid up judges being run down for robbing. You'll probably see Gale Van Hoye in that show as well as those two that gave it 115-112 to Froch.

More and more casual fans tell me that they don't want to watch boxing because it's all set up like Pro Wrestling. Can we blame them?

So where is Boxing heading? Will the corruption end one day? What happened to that John McCain movement to stop corruption in boxing?

[mikefromstu]

Was the sport of boxing always this corrupted even back in the 60s, and 70s, or is it a new thing?


Btw, I don't care who you are in Boxingscene, if you gave more than 3 rounds, 4 rounds tops to Froch..You don't know **** about boxing. Period.

Hang up your account and go watch "Cops", maybe you will watch these paid up judges being run down for robbing. You'll probably see Gale Van Hoye in that show as well as those two that gave it 115-112 to Froch.

More and more casual fans tell me that they don't want to watch boxing because it's all set up like Pro Wrestling. Can we blame them?

So where is Boxing heading? Will the corruption end one day? What happened to that John McCain movement to stop corruption in boxing?

BIGGEST robbery I have EVER seen in this sport. THis is what turns people off from bxoing.

By the way, the McCain bill would only be in effect in the states, this fight was in UK so it still would not have made a difference.

[Kevin Jesus]

BIGGEST robbery I have EVER seen in this sport. THis is what turns people off from bxoing.

By the way, the McCain bill would only be in effect in the states, this fight was in UK so it still would not have made a difference.

It's frustrating to see "boxing fans" support this decision. I see posters complaining about losing e-points, i lost 25k e-points in this fight but it's not about that, it's bigger than e-points. Boxing is my favorite sport and i love it a lot but damn when is this sport going to have some integrity back?

[Syf]

I think corruption has always been around..its just nowadays it can't be swept under the carpet so easily because everything is televised and reported upon.

[Silencers]

Check it out.

A month can hardly go by in this business without some scandal or another bringing boxing’s integrity, if you’ll pardon the expression, into question.

Some judge turns in an indefensible scorecard. A fighter is busted for steroids. Another is found to have loaded hand wraps. A governing body creates yet another “world championship” title. And so on.

Last weekend’s Paulie Malignaggi-Juan Diaz fight in Texas, whose precise outcome Malignaggi predicted with uncanny accuracy, is viewed by many as yet more evidence of contemporary boxing’s corrupt and ultimately unfixable infrastructure.

If you’re among those whose patience for and loyalty to the sport are on life-support from all the seemingly dirty goings-on, consider the possibility that things could be worse. Really worse. It could be the 1950s again.

That’s right. The very era that many recall as one of the sport’s true “golden” ages was so brazenly ****** and infested with gangsters and other ne’er do wells that the Jan. 31, 1955 issue of Sports Illustrated concluded an investigative piece on the state of the sport’s with the sentence: “Boxing today is a national scandal.”

And this was the era of Rocky Marciano and Carmen Basilio, of Gene Fullmer and Willie Pep, of Ray Robinson and Jake LaMotta and Sandy Saddler.

This was Archie Moore’s time and Kid Gavilan‘s and Rocky Graziano’s and Ike Williams’. These are giants of the sport and the stars of the era. If there was a pound-for-pound list then, all would have been on it. Today, they are in the Hall of Fame.

But it also was the era of Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo and the Manager’s Guild and Jim Norris and the IBC. Put simply, organized crime controlled the fight game, particularly on the East coast. Period.

The cretins running things today have nothing on this crew.

Many of the fighters of the earlier era steered clear of the mob, even if they couldn’t help but be touched by its influence. Others had little choice but to play the game.

LaMotta famously threw a fight against Billy Fox in 1947 in return for a shot at the middleweight title. He confessed to it during a Senate subcommittee investigating corruption in boxing and later talked about it to author Peter Heller, among others.

“I purposely lost a fight to Billy Fox because they promised me that I would get a shot to fight for the title if I did,” LaMotta said. “See, today it‘s a little different. If a fellow deserves a chance at the title people will argue for it, they will speak up, or the newspaper people will speak up. But in my time there were a lot of guys that deserved chances to fight for the title … but because they weren’t on the ‘in’ they were left out.”

LaMotta wasn’t the only one. The New York State Athletic Commission suspended Graziano in 1947 for failing to report a pair of bribe offers.

Graziano always maintained his innocence, saying years later, “Somebody called me on the phone in Stillman’s Gym, says, ‘I’ll give you $50,000 to throw this here fight,’ and I told the guy to go take a crap for himself. But then the D.A. got wind of it. They says you’re supposed to report that. I says how can I report a thing, anyone can come over and tell you.”

But Jack Bonomi, chief counsel to the Kefauver Committee, which got LaMotta to confess that he took a dive against Fox, reportedly told writer Jack Newfield that the mob controlled Graziano’s career.

Pep, who is generally recognized as the greatest featherweight ever and one of the best regardless of weight, almost certainly took a dive against Lulu Perez in 1954.

A ton of late money made Perez a 4-1 favorite, despite Pep’s number-one ranking and the fact that he’d gone 23-1 since his loss to Saddler. Perez stopped him in the second.

In 1981 Sports Illustrated published a story that suggested Pep threw the fight for $16,000. Pep sued for $75-million and lost. The jury deliberated just 15 minutes.

Lightweight Art Aragon, the original “Golden Boy” and a real media darling of the era, was involved in several su****ious fights. Tommy Campbell testified in 1956 that he took a dive against Aragon in 1950, and the California State Athletic Commission investigated judges who awarded Aragon a disputed decision over Chuck Davey in 1954.

Palermo, a “business associate” of Carbo, managed welterweight champion Johnny Saxton, who won a decision over Gavilan in 1954 even though 20 of 22 boxing writers at ringside thought Gavilan should have gotten the nod.

He also managed Williams, who most historians agree is one of the top lightweights ever. Williams said in 1971 that he signed with Palermo because the Manager’s Guild had blackballed him and prevented him from getting fights even while he was champion of the world.

“So Blinky says, ‘Ike, listen. You sign a contract with me, I’ll straighten out the Guild.’ So I says OK. It looked pretty good, because I couldn’t get any fights anyway.”

Later Palermo came to Williams with an offer before his title defense against Jimmy Carter.

“Blinky says, Ike, they want to give you $50,000 to lose the fight. Six months time he’ll fight you back again and lose it back to you.’ I said no,” Williams recalled.

Williams lost the title to Carter anyway and said that there were several big fights toward the end of his career for which he didn‘t see a dime.

Don Jordan, who reigned briefly as welterweight champion toward the end of the decade, told Heller in 1970 the degree to which the mob was involved in boxing.

“Every fight in the country they were involved in,” Jordan said. “They controlled it from the very beginning. Fights I fought were prearranged, before I even entered the ring. I knew who was going to win and who don’t (sic).”

It’s no consolation to Malignaggi and others who feel fight game politics has wronged them, but consider the words of Robert Christenberry, the New York Athletic Commission chairman in the ‘50s, who wrote shortly after taking office that these "...Two serious problems, gangster influence and the threat of monopoly control, have combined to produce ... the gravest crisis in [boxing's] history.”

Our sport is far from perfect, and faces many of the same problems it always has. But we’re making progress.

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1046/think_boxing_is_corrupt_this_is_nothing_compared_to_50s/

[The_Visitation]

It's frustrating to see "boxing fans" support this decision. I see posters complaining about losing e-points, i lost 25k e-points in this fight but it's not about that, it's bigger than e-points. Boxing is my favorite sport and i love it a lot but damn when is this sport going to have some integrity back?

What I find frustrating are idiotic posts like yours. Watch both fighters AFTER the fight. They knew it was close, and neither knew if they had done enough to win.

Lose the bias and open your eyes before spewing BS about 'integrity'. With SDs there is always a difference of opinion.

[Spray_resistant]

Robbery in my view = 8 rounds + convincingly won without debate and you still don't get the nod......the term does not apply here.

[Kevin Jesus]

I saw this fight 5 times already.

Like i said before, you're not a boxing fan if you defend this decision. You don't know **** about boxing, seriously.

[Glamour Puss]

Froch won most of the rounds.

And won the fight, get over it crybabies.



http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...7570&cat=boxer

[peewee1460]

boxing was dirty as **** back in the 50's 60's 70's. i mean jake lamotta had to take a dive just to get a shot at a title and the ibc used to have a monoply on the titles. there's no telling how many great fighters they kept from great fights.