Comments Thread For: The new-look British heavyweight scene

[PRINCEKOOL]

They are all mostly out of condition compared to past British fighters like Anthony Joshua and David Haye. 'Moses Itauma even as a rookie, is showing signs of having that Rid**** Bowe type conditioning. This is only a major concern if? That type of conditioning is combined with an under-par work ethic. Rid**** Bowe negated his sometimes bad work ethic with his innate ability, and his instincts on how to fight. Rid**** Bowe had elite level medium to inside game as a Heavyweight fighter'.

But regardless? I still believe that the up and coming British Heavyweight fighters 'Underneath Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. Compared to the Heavyweight forces around the World in America and mainland Europe. Overall the British Heavyweight Divisions is still one of the strongest in the World'.

In recent decades, I would rate the era of Danny Williams, Audley Harrison, Michael Sprott, Mark Potter, Juluis Francis and Matt Skelton 'As a stronger British Heavyweight era than the up and coming Heavyweights below Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Skill for skill at his absolute peak both Danny Williams and Audley Harrison could so easily in my opinion 'Be knocking out fighters like Fabio Wardly, Frazier Clarke and Johnny Fischer. All of those fighters I have just mentioned, technically don't really appear to have a great skill for skill boxing game. Not even Frazier Clarke, which I am sure many people would find surprising. But that goes to show how certain fighters even after progressing in their Amateur career are not developing a great skill for skill point scoring boxing game'.

Note: I think the computer scoring system put more emphasis on a fighters ability to score points. And that was the clear distinctive and difference between the Amateur and Professional ranks. Now? The Amateur ranks are very similar to the professional ranks, which will prepare fighters more readily. But the focus and emphasis on accumulating points, is not as great and maybe this effects the development of certain fighters. For me personally how I differentiate between the Amateur and professional ranks, is? The Amateur ranks are mainly about accumulating points, and the professional ranks are about imposing your style and inflicting damage'.

So overall, I think the British Heavyweight Divisions is competitive 'But there is a definitive drop in skill and ability level compared to the Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua Heavyweight era. This is very apparent, the way? Prospects such as Moses Itauma are going nowhere near fighters like Dillian Whyte or Joe Joyce. Those two fights are great match ups, which will prove Moses Itauma ability is legitimate at least to a solid level'.

I am personally not buying into Moses Itauma's ability at this stage of his career 'He is obviously matured early in life. He has achieved nothing as a Amateur fighter, and this far in his career? His fights have not been manufactured, but promoters are obviously developing a narrative and theme with his career. Itauma is definitively a solid fighter with ability, I just have not been one of those people claiming he the equivalent Mike Tyson in today's boxing era'.

To conclude: And as I have stated in previous threads, it is inevitable that Daniel Dubois in my opinion is going to beaten badly 'Fighters like Dubois are ether going to win in spectacular fashion or lose in spectacular fashion at top level in the sport. I think already his career performances at top level have proven this trend, of him being a front runner and lacking genuine elite level skills. Dubois being a front runner, is not due to him lacking courage as in all of his fights win or lose he has shown a certain level of courage i.e. Battling on for so long while injured vs Joe Joyce. But from analyst perspective, the trend and performances traces in his top level fights are not going to be passed over'.

I would imagine Don Charles knows exactly where Daniel Dubois is lacking game 'And he does know that he is a front runner as a Heavyweight fighter at top level'.

The next most significant fight in British Heavyweight Boxing is Jarrell Miller vs Fabio Wardley 'If Wardley is to achieve anything beyond domestic and European level, he has to win this WBA Heavyweight Tournament' etc.





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[PRINCEKOOL]

Me either, you're right his "maturing" was similar to Mike Tyson's but his (or his teams) willingness to be pushed on and his ability aren't matching up with the hype he's getting.

When you're sparring world champions as a child and allegedly giving them all they could handle you and your team should be willing to roll the dice asap.

I don't think he has the talent of Mike Tyson, even from a skill for skill perspective 'People that understand boxing from a technical perspective can see that'.

If you have noticed with certain sports these days? They all over promote their prospects and stars, because it is all one big machine 'And if the major stars of the sport are doing well, everyone in the business will make a profit. There is nothing wrong with those marketing tactics, but just don't expect more knowledgeable people within the community of those sports to be duped'.

Every new soccer player is apparently the greatest talent we have ever seen? Even though soccer as a sport is manufactured so offensive players can dominate. And a similar thing has happened with basketball and the NBA, the game has been completely altered. There is less defending, and more offense. This has made the game less physiologically demanding, and easier for offensive players'.

Note: Mike Tyson was fighting adults as a teenager in the amateur ranks. Mike Tyson was actually a great amateur fighter, he was the junior Olympic Champion, and was only denied a place on the 1984 Olympic team by Henry Tillman. Who then went onto win the Gold Medal, and became the Olympic Heavyweight Champion'.

Moses Ituama does not have that kind of fundamental base in the game 'For me personally he just appears to be a fighter who has matured early in life. And this factor has aided in him standing out at this early stage in his career'.

He is definitively has ability 'To whack and hurt his opponents. But the litmus test is when fighters don't just disappear and he encounters resistance. To survive and be victorious in those type of fights, a fighter needs overall game'.

Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua early in their career 'Were showing signs of having overall game. Tyson Fury against John Mcdermott II. And then Joshua vs Dillian Whyte, then both overcame resistance in those fights to win. Those two fights were very important and pivotal performances for Fury and Joshua'.

To conclude: I am not claiming that Moses Ituama is a bad fighter 'I don't believe he is on the level of Mike Tyson. The next 12 months in his career will potentially reveal a lot about his ability. If Ituama is good enough to compete at the top level, then he will be moved up to that level in the game. Because in boxing there is a danger of a fighter taking unnecessary damage, at domestic and European levels'.

That is why I agree with the methodology of Peter Fury in his own words 'Fighters will develop much better if they gain experience at a higher level earlier in their career. Win or lose'. It is clear that Frank Warren is both building a fighter, and trying to market a product with Moses Ituama. For as long as he is undefeated and is knocking out his opponents, they can keep promoting him as the next Mike Tyson to the casual sports fans. So that is why it will be interesting how he is matched in the future' etc.