Cotto was not good at 154

[The Big Dunn]

funny that you are trying to hype manny up to fit your agenda.... why are you not bringing up all those L's from manny? that unknown thai guy you always bring up to try and clown manny. remember you said pac got put down by some unknown thai fighter... LOL!! so going by your logic, pac should be washed to shiiet by 2015!!! you cant have it both ways.

When have I ever brought them up? I have consistently said Manny was the best opponent Floyd fought.

When we discuss Manny’s resume, yes I mention his wins and losses. Those are facts. That is what a resume is comprised of. What issue do you have with that?

Sorry you’re trying too hard. I have consistently argued Manny wasn’t as shot as his fans like to pretend just because he lost by such a wide margin to Floyd.

[IceTrayDaGang]

When have I ever brought them up? I have consistently said Manny was the best opponent Floyd fought.

When we discuss Manny’s resume, yes I mention his wins and losses. Those are facts. That is what a resume is comprised of. What issue do you have with that?

Sorry you’re trying too hard. I have consistently argued Manny wasn’t as shot as his fans like to pretend just because he lost by such a wide margin to Floyd.

lies!!! when dissing manny, you would bring those L's up to discredit pac... now you have a different agenda here and is trying to act like pac was primein 2015... and im surprised you think pac was floyd's best win. that version of pac? LOL...

[djtmal]

https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/136425

By Michael Collins: While it seems that Top Rank promoter Bob Arum isn’t too excited about matching his fighter WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao up with Floyd Mayweather Jr. in May, Arum also doesn’t appear to want Mayweather fighting one of his guys WBA junior middleweight champion Miguel Cotto. Arum told the Manila Standard “They are not going to get him “

Also don’t forget they did the Floyd v Brussels fight- Brussels trained by Cotto’s dad who also trained Cotto. Brussels and Cotto had a similar style.

Floyd demolished Henry and TR went in a different direction.

Classic Quote: Cotto Calls Out Floyd 2008

Posted byStaff02/02/20103
A lot of ring observers do not know that Miguel Cotto was eager to put his then-undefeated record up against Floyd Mayweather in a Welterweight unification clash of the unbeatens in 2008 however the greatest ducker of all time wasn’t up for that challenge. Mayweather and his team claimed to the media Cotto wasn’t a big enough name and he didn’t draw big enough pay-per-view numbers to deserve a fight with Mayweather when it was prime time in 2008. But here is a quote from the normally respectful Miguel Cotto that questions the bravery of Floyd and clearly shows he meant business and wanted to put his fists on the pound-for-pound pretender.

“When you call yourself the best boxer in the world you have to fight with the best. There are other names at 147 pounds and if Mayweather does not have the courage to get in the ring to fight with me, my career has to continue. I won’t wait for him.” –Miguel Cotto 2008

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[The Big Dunn]

lies!!! when dissing manny, you would bring those L's up to discredit pac... now you have a different agenda here and is trying to act like pac was primein 2015... and im surprised you think pac was floyd's best win. that version of pac? LOL...

As I said, when we discuss Manny’s resume I bring them up. Resume is wins and losses right? What is your issue with bringing up his losses when discussing his resume? Please be specific.

Why can’t you ever discuss the point made? I haven’t posted he was prime in 2015 so don’t lie or over exaggerate.

I said he wasn’t as shot as you and other Manny fans like to pretend.

[The Big Dunn]

Classic Quote: Cotto Calls Out Floyd 2008

Posted byStaff02/02/20103
A lot of ring observers do not know that Miguel Cotto was eager to put his then-undefeated record up against Floyd Mayweather in a Welterweight unification clash of the unbeatens in 2008 however the greatest ducker of all time wasn’t up for that challenge. Mayweather and his team claimed to the media Cotto wasn’t a big enough name and he didn’t draw big enough pay-per-view numbers to deserve a fight with Mayweather when it was prime time in 2008. But here is a quote from the normally respectful Miguel Cotto that questions the bravery of Floyd and clearly shows he meant business and wanted to put his fists on the pound-for-pound pretender.

“When you call yourself the best boxer in the world you have to fight with the best. There are other names at 147 pounds and if Mayweather does not have the courage to get in the ring to fight with me, my career has to continue. I won’t wait for him.” –Miguel Cotto 2008

Place your excuses here:

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lol. Who is staff?

[IceTrayDaGang]

As I said, when we discuss Manny’s resume I bring them up. Resume is wins and losses right? What is your issue with bringing up his losses when discussing his resume? Please be specific.

Why can’t you ever discuss the point made? I haven’t posted he was prime in 2015 so don’t lie or over exaggerate.

I said he wasn’t as shot as you and other Manny fans like to pretend.

more lies from you... i am not going to keep going off topic with you. the discussion here was you claiming that cotto was drained. i provided proof that cotto wasnt drained.

then you went on to compared manny's ko from marquez to hatton from floyd's tko. i proved you wrong again here.

i then reminded you that manny has been ko more than once. so by 2015, manny been washed.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You’re lying.

Manny fans claim canelo was drained at 152 and Manny was shopworn because of the JMM ko loss.

Applying that logic equally and fairly, Cotto at 145 was drained and Hatton was shopworn because he got ktfo by Floyd before Manny beat him.

This would mean Manny doesn’t get credit for Hatton unless you guys give Floyd full credit for beating Manny.

You guys are incredibly biased and inconsistent.

this is your post..

the bolded, i proved you wrong, i posted what cotto said after the fight.

ok, so manny doesnt get the full credit for beating hatton even tho it was a tko from floyd, like i mentioned, i never view hatton as a top fighter so this means nothing to me LOL..... and since we going with this logic, that means floyd gets zero credit for beating a washed manny because he's been ko'd more than once... and you said manny was floyd's best win, LOL!!! i didnt know you viewed manny that high LOL.

[djtmal]

Fishnets hadn’t fought at 147 in 8 years. He looked drained.

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Why your boy Floyd didn’t let him use his illegal iv connections

[Mushashi]

This is were we can really see the flaw in the logic of looking at a slice of a career and making big judgements. If we look at Cotto carefully and assume your post has some truth... Then one must ask: What is a better gauge of ability? winning fights against some tough fighters who all had foibles? Or losing close, tight fights to two great fighters at 154?

Edit: I should qualify: I meant "two competative fights."

Cotto matched up well physically and stylistically with Floyd to make him work hard to win every round in a wide decision for Floyd.

He lost comfortably against Trout who was a staple at 154 during that era and held his own against Canelo to not get beaten down

He was fortunate Yuri Foreman's leg got blown out during their fight, after coming off a close fight with Joshua Clottey

Martinez couldn't do any roadwork and did limited sparring in training because of his knee, he was a cripple who fell after eating the first well timed hook of the fight.

Cotto was a household name and was the biggest draw after Mayweather and Pacquiao, he did very well to capitalise off his name value in the tail end of HBO because his career at 154 and over was underwhelming to put it politely and this is coming from someone who was a fan in his 140 days.

[PRINCEKOOL]

The version of Miguel Cotto who Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Was a more in form, and comfortable fighter at 154 pounds than the version of Cotto that Manny Pacquiao fought. Cotto had just avenged a traumatic loss to Antonio Margarito prior to fighting Mayweather'.

So of course? I think Miguel Cotto at his absolute peak was at 147 pounds 'Before he was brutally smashed up by Antonio Margarito. In all of his fights after this point in his career, Cotto when he was embroiled in a tough fight always appeared to still be suffering from trauma. Whenever he would began to sustain heavy damage in a fight, Cotto seemed shook, but to his credit he would battle on through those turbulent times'.

Before Miguel Cotto was beaten by Antonio Margarito I, he always appeared very cold and android like inside the boxing ring 'Even in his fight vs Zab Judah, were he sustained a gruesome cut. Cotto like a locomotive train, just kept on systematically applying his pressure and game. For me personally I rate Miguel Cotto's victory over Zab Judah and Shane Mosley as his peak best performances'.

Note: The narrative or perception that Miguel Cotto was a great fighter at 154 pounds 'I think is due to him, avenging his loss to Antonio Margarito II in that weight class. To avenge a damaging and traumatic loss, is in my opinion? One of the toughest challenges any fighter can achieve inside the boxing ring. When Cotto achieved such a feat, he in part had completed the process of rebuilding himself from his first brutal loss to Antonio Margarito'.

If Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao would have fought each other at this point in boxing history 'I think Cotto could have potentially beaten Pacquiao. The timing would have been more optimal for Miguel Cotto. The fight most likely would have been at 154 pounds, with no catch weight or rehydration clause'.

Manny Pacquiao's win over Miguel Cotto was awesome 'But the catch weight, was completely unnecessary. And it had a negative effect on Miguel Cotto's performances, especially in the area of durability in my opinion. At elite level, even if a fighter's game is decreased by 5% this is going have a potential dramatic negative effect on the action produced'.

To conclude: When Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather Junior fought each other in 2012 'In reality that was the mega fight of that boxing era. It was a more significant fight than Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, because both fighters while not at their absolute peak? They were still in solid form'.

By the time Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather Junior fought 'Mayweather was miles outside of his peak. This was apparent by his recent performances vs Marcos Maidana I & II. Even in his fight against Canelo Alvarez, Mayweather seemingly was reluctant to really pressure Alvarez and push for the stoppage. Floyd Mayweather Junior's performance vs Canelo Alvarez was his last great performance, but? In my opinion better versions of Mayweather would have been able to force the stoppage vs Canelo Alvarez'

Floyd Mayweather Junior beat both superior versions of Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Ricky Hatton and Shane Mosley than Manny Pacquiao'.

Miguel Cotto was not at his absolute peak at 154 pounds 'But regardless, he had achieved one of his best wins at 154 pounds vs Antonio Magarito II. Cotto as a competitor at that stage of his career, would have acquire masses of experience that he could now utilize whether that be during training camp or on fight night' etc.