A serious question for those who believe Dirrell won

[The Gambler1981]

I agree the ref was horribl.

I have a question. Who do you think initiated all of the clinches?

It was both of them, they both played a part in the holding. Froch held Direll so he could get at him and not deal with his fast hands, Dirrell held Froch so he could not really infight.

[rskumm21]

I can't believe people keep saying Direll ran. He was hitting Froch with clean ass combinations and moving away. That's boxing last time I checked.

[keepthemhandsup]

clearly outworked ????????? what fight you was watching....everybody knew that they wasn't gonna let froch belt get taken away in his home town.....

why you think his pops said to KO him even though he was winning the fight???

[Chase8400]

The key word there is EFFECTIVE. This is not amateur boxing. You can not score a pro fight like if its amateur. Pitty pat punches even though it might land is not EFFECTIVE in the pro ranks. Leave that **** in the amateurs. Dirrell did not land anything EFFECTIVE until the 2nd half of the fight.

Look at the red-bolded part of what you just said and tell me what Froch landed that was effective.

As I saw it, he only landed in the clinch and even those shots had zero effect on Dirrell.

If Dirrell clearly landed more and the only telling shots in the fight consistantly, how do you suppose he lost?

[Syf]

I agree the ref was horribl.

I have a question. Who do you think initiated all of the clinches?

imo Dirrell was starting to get a bit rattled by all the dirty fighting. The kid isn't used to that kind of a fight. The throwdowns..hitting the back of the head, and so forth. He's used to more officiated matches back home, I'm sure of it. His corner told him to protect himself at all times and not worry about the ref... Clinching was his way of trying to do that. I think the point deduction there should have either been matched by a point deduction from Froch, or left off altogether if they just going to promote a brawling freeforall like these cats seem to want.

But what pissed me off is they let Froch brawl, and didn't let Dirrell do the same. That is utter bull****.

[Pullcounter]

Of course you'll revieve ''green k'' and you should be proud, what an honor that is.


They fall in line with the peole who favors ineffective boxing over consistent agression and trying to make a fight. For the 20019th time, Dirrell IMO was out worked by Froch who backed him in a corner numerous times. This was a fight where simply letting your hands go would win you a round, because Froch was the only one doing anything that was dramatic.

how did froch outwork dirrell? dirrell landed more and landed the cleaner punches!!!!

That's just the way boxing is. Things like this has been happening for years and years.

Dirrell didn't take Froch's belt away from him. He ran!

doesn't matter if he ran... he landed more punches!!!

I agree the ref was horribl.

I have a question. Who do you think initiated all of the clinches?

doesn't matter who initiated more clinches... that's now how you score rounds... who ever lands more punches win. dirrel outboxed froch.

[slicksouthpaw16]

So... You are giving Froch rounds for stalking? With negligible connect percentage?

Well then, I turn around and give Dirrell those same rounds for hitting Froch in the face with jabs and counters as he comes in.

He didn't start doing that until late in the fight. Early when Froch would come inside, Andre would just tie up ( in a scared way) and lean on Froch to wait until the referee broke the action.

So yes, i give Froch rounds for stalking since Dirrell wasn't active for the majority of the fight. If you look, you will see Dirrell in extreme panic mode every time Froch would get close to him. He didn't start gaining confidence until he staggered Froch though that was very late.

[RodBarker]

Of course you'll revieve ''green k'' and you should be proud, what an honor that is.


They fall in line with the peole who favors ineffective boxing over consistent agression and trying to make a fight. For the 20019th time, Dirrell IMO was out worked by Froch who backed him in a corner numerous times. This was a fight where simply letting your hands go would win you a round, because Froch was the only one doing anything that was dramatic.

Get out of here with that bull**** , consistent aggression , he hit nothing , boxing is hit the other guy more than he hit your , ring generalship is high on the order of scoring fights , whether you like the fight or not , Froch in terms of landing punches did nothing to win ,, your reasons for him winning is , he looked like he wanted to fight , and consistent aggression ,, who land the most punches and caused his opponent to miss with their punches ..

Did you cheer that Olympic gold medal winner that won the race because the whole field fell over , well Im not cheering Froch because his title was stolen , he lost within the rules of boxing , and its blatant robberys that are worse for boxing than seeing a style you dont like winning .

[Chase8400]

Of course you'll revieve ''green k'' and you should be proud, what an honor that is.


They fall in line with the peole who favors ineffective boxing over consistent agression and trying to make a fight. For the 20019th time, Dirrell IMO was out worked by Froch who backed him in a corner numerous times. This was a fight where simply letting your hands go would win you a round, because Froch was the only one doing anything that was dramatic.

Okay, so slicksouthpaw16 seems to think ineffective workrate wins fights and Chase8400 doesn't. Glad we summed that up for everyone. There is a poll on here that shows what the general verdict of the way the scores should have read. I suggest you just go take a look at that and I'll leave the subject alone.

[oldgringo]

Look at the red-bolded part of what you just said and tell me what Froch landed that was effective.

As I saw it, he only landed in the clinch and even those shots had zero effect on Dirrell.

If Dirrell clearly landed more and the only telling shots in the fight consistantly, how do you suppose he lost?

Carl Froch was not effective. He was annoyed and ineffective. Any time he did land a clean power punch the rest of the attack was blunted by Dirrell holding.

There were no clinches in that fight. There were only instances where Andre Dirrell was holding Carl Froch.

Dirrell hardly landed telling shots consistently until the end of the fight. The shot where he staggered Froch was a great shot, but otherwise clean, hard power shots were few and far between. He did land more punches over the course of the fight, but that wasn't hard as Froch couldn't really find his mark at all.