Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Examining the Bivol-Beterbiev decision and card in detail; Meldrick Taylor for Hall of Fame

[BoxingUpdates]

In a titanic Mailbag, the one and only Stephen ?Breadman? Edwards dissects the scorecards that this time favoured Dmitry Bivol over Artur Beterbiev, casts his eye over the rest of the bill and makes a stong case for Meldrick Taylor to be inducted into the Hall of Fame
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[TonyRespectful]

I swear Bread is going to have to be buried with a hanky to dry his tears regarding Chavez Taylor. Yes,even after he passes Bread will still be crying. I have never seen such drama regarding a boxing match. I'd say get over it but obviously he never will.

[champion4ever]

Once again; Great mail bag and read by Probox/Boxingscene's Stephen 'Breadman' Edwards. How he analyzed the fight was very feasible and practical.

However, my only disagreement is his assessment that the fight was a Draw or a very close victory for Artur Beterbiev by winning rounds 1 and 7.

Let's just say for argument sake that everything he's saying is true. If all the swing rounds would have gone to Artur; Then yes, I agree. At best he couldn't have expected no more than a Draw.

However, if all those swings rounds hadn't have gone to him. Then at worst; He would have gotten no more than a lost. Which he did. Moreover, at no point was Artur ever in the position of winning that fight because he couldn't.

He lost the first three rounds then after Artur won rounds 4-6. Bivol swept the middle rounds of 7-9. In addition, Dmitry just wouldn't stand still long enough in order for Artur to land or hit him with a very good punch.

My question is; How can one win rounds or a fight without throwing any punches? Both Artur's punch output, volume and work rate were all very low due to Bivol's movement.

The fight I saw was Bivol throwing and landing the more clean and accurate combination punches against Beterbiev. Even while fighting off the back foot. A fighter cannot win a fight unless he throws enough punches.

Which was exactly what Dmitry Bivol did but Artur Beterbiev did not. I thought Bivol was out throwing and landing him by some 2 or 3 to 1 margin.

However, he was spot on about Meldrick Taylor. Meldrick won that fight and should have been awarded the decision but Richard Steele prematurely stopped the fight.; Which smacks of a corrupt referee with a horse in the race.

He knew that Meldrick was winning that fight on the scorecards at the time of stoppage but he just wanted Chavez to win.

[BirdSong]

its funny the way u get people on here who say that bivol kicked beters ass inthe rematch and was clearly the better guy and then u have others who say the fight was so close they cant call it!!!! and even beter won and bread is one of those!!! he thinks beter won both bivol fights or draw part II

[ShoulderRoll]

Duran was partying and got fat after the first Sugar Ray Leonard fight. He has no one to blame but himself if he spent part of the training camp for the rematch losing weight…but at the same time it does take some shine off of Leonard’s win.

How could it not? He wasn’t facing the same animal from their first fight.

[PRvazquez]

Breadman seems to stir up controversy with his bias towards fighters and acts like his words are the gospel. People are going to have different opinions. I know he’s a great trainer but sheesh

[brankobugarski]

Once again; Great mail bag and read by Probox/Boxingscene's Stephen 'Breadman' Edwards. How he analyzed the fight was very feasible and practical.

However, my only disagreement is his assessment that the fight was a Draw or a very close victory for Artur Beterbiev by winning rounds 1 and 7.

Let's just say for argument sake that everything he's saying is true. If all the swing rounds would have gone to Artur; Then yes, I agree. At best he couldn't have expected no more than a Draw.

However, if all those swings rounds hadn't have gone to him. Then at worst; He would have gotten no more than a lost. Which he did. Moreover, at no point was Artur ever in the position of winning that fight because he couldn't.

He lost the first three rounds then after Artur won rounds 4-6. Bivol swept the middle rounds of 7-9. In addition, Dmitry just wouldn't stand still long enough in order for Artur to land or hit him with a very good punch.

My question is; How can one win rounds or a fight without throwing any punches? Both Artur's punch output, volume and work rate were all very low due to Bivol's movement.

The fight I saw was Bivol throwing and landing the more clean and accurate combination punches against Beterbiev. Even while fighting off the back foot. A fighter cannot win a fight unless he throws enough punches.

Which was exactly what Dmitry Bivol did but Artur Beterbiev did not. I thought Bivol was out throwing and landing him by some 2 or 3 to 1 margin.

However, he was spot on about Meldrick Taylor. Meldrick won that fight and should have been awarded the decision but Richard Steele prematurely stopped the fight.; Which smacks of a corrupt referee with a horse in the race.

He knew that Meldrick was winning that fight on the scorecards at the time of stoppage but he just wanted Chavez to win.

Very simple. Breadman is very knowledgeable and has great insight and ability to break fights down. Obviously he knows what he is doing and he can see things in a fighter that we cannot see.

BUT when it comes to his favorite fighters he is just as biased as everybody else. He becomes one eyed fan just like all of us. I had a chuckle when I was reading that in highlights of both fights there are twice as many highlights of what Bivol did and not many highlights of what Beterbiev did. Maybe there is a logical reason for that? Maybe it is not all conspiracy? Quite often the simplest answer is the correct one. Perhaps there was not much worth showing of what Beterbiev did?

[PRvazquez]

Very simple. Breadman is very knowledgeable and has great insight and ability to break fights down. Obviously he knows what he is doing and he can see things in a fighter that we cannot see.

BUT when it comes to his favorite fighters he is just as biased as everybody else. He becomes one eyed fan just like all of us. I had a chuckle when I was reading that in highlights of both fights there are twice as many highlights of what Bivol did and not many highlights of what Beterbiev did. Maybe there is a logical reason for that? Maybe it is not all conspiracy? Quite often the simplest answer is the correct one. Perhaps there was not much worth showing of what Beterbiev did?

Yes my point exactly bro

[Mark Elding]

I used to think like Breadman on the Chavez-Taylor fight, until I didn’t. Everyone was blinded by Meldrick’s insane handspeed and courage, but it was largely an illusion. He was getting busted up in every round. Watching the entire bout in slo-mo would emphasise that. I recall the HBO blow-by-blow being horrendously biased in favour of their anointed new superstar.

Regardless, Julio was an all time great 15 round fighter stuck in the 12 round era.

[Mark Elding]

Duran was partying and got fat after the first Sugar Ray Leonard fight. He has no one to blame but himself if he spent part of the training camp for the rematch losing weight…but at the same time it does take some shine off of Leonard’s win.

How could it not? He wasn’t facing the same animal from their first fight.

I think Duran’s win over Leonard was the single greatest in boxing history. He clearly wasn’t the same fighter for the rematch. But Ray definitely came away from that loss an improved fighter, and was ridiculously on point in New Orleans. The two greatest fighters in my fifty year lifetime hands down.