Comments Thread For: Chris Eubank Jnr issues warning to Conor Benn ? and threatens Nigel

[PRINCEKOOL]

Chris Eubank Junior is pretty much destroying Eddie Hearn at his own game, and on his own stage in front of the media 'The reason why I am mentioning Hearn, is because? Eddie Hearn seems to be Team Benn's only weapon during the press conferences. In terms of being able to make points, and actually debate with Eubank Junior'.

I think Conor Benn and his team, need to realize? Eubank Junior just has too much ammunition, and evidence to completely play with them 'Surely now after this second press conference, that is the conclusion to the pre fight tour. Conor Benn needed this break, because? He was really finding it difficult to counteract Chris Eubank Junior'.

This is kind of a similar dynamic to when David Haye fought Wladimir Kiltschko 'Haye was my fighter. But what Kiltschko very smartly did during the build up to that fight, was embrace all the "Borat" comparisons Haye was trying to use to rile him up. That completely took all the energy, and sting out of David Haye's attempts to frustrate and dominate Wladimir Kiltschko in a debate'.

That was why David Haye in my opinion, suddenly decided to disengage with Wladimir Kilschko 'No handshakes, or much head to head debates. That was really the first time in Haye's career, where another fighter was able to compete with him outside the ring in terms of warfare'.

Note: I have always maintained that Wladimir Kiltschko also shook Tyson Fury 'During the build up to their second fight, which unfortunately Tyson Fury pulled out of due to his then circumstance. During the press conferences, and media face offs? Wladimir Kiltschko still carried the aura of a World Champion. Maybe that is what happens, when your opponent wins the fight by being backed up all night. Tyson Fury may have beaten Wladidmir Kiltschko which was a great win in terms of historical significance, but skill for skill? The action was very underwhelming'.

Wladimir Kiltschko knew at least from his perspective, all he needed to do was initiate more of his offense. Because during the first fight if? Wladimir Kiltschko was able to still back Tyson Fury up for pretty much 12 rounds straight. Then theoretically if Kiltschko then added more offensive pressure to his game, Fury was going to have a very difficult time beating Wladimir Kiltschko with the same game plan that he used in their first fight. Wladimir Kiltschko during his career, had never lost a rematch and he won all of his rematches via knockout'.

I think a interesting statistics, was that Emmanuel Steward had never lost a rematch, while coaching a Heavyweight fighter 'Most famously he won rematches with Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe II, and then Lennox Lewis vs Oliver McCall II'.

To conclude: In regards to Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior 'I agree with Sunny Edwards, there is no real evidence that Benn hits as hard as Liam Smith. I am very surprised Smith does not interject and confront team Benn over such remarks. As I think Conor Benn and his team seem to be acquiring some sort of reassurance from Liam Smith beating Chris Eubank Junior I'.

In my opinion, Liam Smith would beat down and stopped Conor Benn easily at 154 or 160 pounds 'Without no catch weight. We are critiquing a former World Champion in Smith, and genuine World level fighter'.

If Chris Eubank Junior has a great training camp, makes the weight limit in solid form and negates the unnecessary catch weight to the best of his ability 'He wins the fight. I will go as far to say? It is a bit of an insult to Eubank Junior to insinuate that he needs to be the best fighting form ever. Chris Eubank Junior has fought multiple fighters on his resume, that would beat Conor Benn' etc.

[VislorTurlough]

I see some folks on this site, probably who haven’t felt the touch of a woman in years, can’t identify humor.

[Oregonian]

But it was all over the news; local, national and international, along with social media.

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Like I said, I never saw it and neither did a bunch of people I know.
To give you better context, I don’t listen to country music yet there are plenty of superstars I’ve never heard of AND are all over the news daily.

Unlike the UK, The US is massive in size. Often times I’ll get a report of incidents that happens in NY from a friend. Maybe it was a snippet on the news outlets where I am.
It’s the same reason people tend to say Americans are misinformed and don’t know jack about the world.

[Oregonian]

Nothing more fughed up than that
Truly great fans but very delusional

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I was wrong. 60,000 tickets were sold in a single day. Stadium capacity is 63,000.

[Oregonian]

Chris Eubank Junior is pretty much destroying Eddie Hearn at his own game, and on his own stage in front of the media 'The reason why I am mentioning Hearn, is because? Eddie Hearn seems to be Team Benn's only weapon during the press conferences. In terms of being able to make points, and actually debate with Eubank Junior'.

I think Conor Benn and his team, need to realize? Eubank Junior just has too much ammunition, and evidence to completely play with them 'Surely now after this second press conference, that is the conclusion to the pre fight tour. Conor Benn needed this break, because? He was really finding it difficult to counteract Chris Eubank Junior'.

This is kind of a similar dynamic to when David Haye fought Wladimir Kiltschko 'Haye was my fighter. But what Kiltschko very smartly did during the build up to that fight, was embrace all the "Borat" comparisons Haye was trying to use to rile him up. That completely took all the energy, and sting out of David Haye's attempts to frustrate and dominate Wladimir Kiltschko in a debate'.

That was why David Haye in my opinion, suddenly decided to disengage with Wladimir Kilschko 'No handshakes, or much head to head debates. That was really the first time in Haye's career, where another fighter was able to compete with him outside the ring in terms of warfare'.

Note: I have always maintained that Wladimir Kiltschko also shook Tyson Fury 'During the build up to their second fight, which unfortunately Tyson Fury pulled out of due to his then circumstance. During the press conferences, and media face offs? Wladimir Kiltschko still carried the aura of a World Champion. Maybe that is what happens, when your opponent wins the fight by being backed up all night. Tyson Fury may have beaten Wladidmir Kiltschko which was a great win in terms of historical significance, but skill for skill? The action was very underwhelming'.

Wladimir Kiltschko knew at least from his perspective, all he needed to do was initiate more of his offense. Because during the first fight if? Wladimir Kiltschko was able to still back Tyson Fury up for pretty much 12 rounds straight. Then theoretically if Kiltschko then added more offensive pressure to his game, Fury was going to have a very difficult time beating Wladimir Kiltschko with the same game plan that he used in their first fight. Wladimir Kiltschko during his career, had never lost a rematch and he won all of his rematches via knockout'.

I think a interesting statistics, was that Emmanuel Steward had never lost a rematch, while coaching a Heavyweight fighter 'Most famously he won rematches with Evander Holyfield vs Rid**** Bowe II, and then Lennox Lewis vs Oliver McCall II'.

To conclude: In regards to Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior 'I agree with Sunny Edwards, there is no real evidence that Benn hits as hard as Liam Smith. I am very surprised Smith does not interject and confront team Benn over such remarks. As I think Conor Benn and his team seem to be acquiring some sort of reassurance from Liam Smith beating Chris Eubank Junior I'.

In my opinion, Liam Smith would beat down and stopped Conor Benn easily at 154 or 160 pounds 'Without no catch weight. We are critiquing a former World Champion in Smith, and genuine World level fighter'.

If Chris Eubank Junior has a great training camp, makes the weight limit in solid form and negates the unnecessary catch weight to the best of his ability 'He wins the fight. I will go as far to say? It is a bit of an insult to Eubank Junior to insinuate that he needs to be the best fighting form ever. Chris Eubank Junior has fought multiple fighters on his resume, that would beat Conor Benn' etc.

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I struggle to read long posts but this was great. Especially the David Haye theory. I had bought into Haye KOing Wladimir - based on his twitchiness and quickness. Boy was I disappointed!

I hope Eubank destroys that buffoon.

[PRINCEKOOL]

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I struggle to read long posts but this was great. Especially the David Haye theory. I had bought into Haye KOing Wladimir - based on his twitchiness and quickness. Boy was I disappointed!

I hope Eubank destroys that buffoon.

Cheers man, thanks.

I personally enjoy a good domestic match up, whether that be in British Boxing or America 'Well when it comes to American fights, I consider all American fights domestic match ups. So I extend the competitive range to involving fighters from Mexico and Puerto. When fighters collided from those areas at a solid level, they historically have always produced ether great fights or compelling match ups in terms of the dynamics between the fighter's characters'.

Adrien Broner vs Paulie Malignaggi, Danny Garcia vs Keith Thurman, Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Tank Davis, Rolly Romero vs Gervonta Tank Davis 'In recent times and going back some years those are some of the all American domestic level fights that, I thought were great. Whether that is the debates during the build up, or action produced during the fights'.

I have always maintained that Zab Judah vs Miguel Cotto 'Was one of the best All American fights post the 90's.

'I have only become more interested in this fight since, the fallout from their first fight. But I will admit? It is by no means, a high level fight'.

Ben Shalom stated that 'He does not believe Eddie Hearn believes Conor Benn can win. Hearn is just promoting the fight with all of his outlandish statements in regards to Benn's abilities'. All of a sudden Benn is a monster puncher, and his being compared to his father Nigel Benn at his peak. Hearn has been saying things such as? Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior, is going to be like Nigel Benn vs Iran Barkley. With Conor Benn blasting through Chris Eubank Junior in a similar brutal and violent fashion'.

What people need to realize with Eddie Hearn is what Frank Warren used to always say about the Hearn's 'They are accountants by trade'. MatchRoom and Eddie Hearn are not boxing people on a fundamental level, the same way many other boxing promoters are'.

Many years ago, I saw an interview with Eddie Hearn 'Were he was stating that, Match Room did not really need to be in boxing. Because as a company they cover so many other sports'. This was during a time when Frank Warren had just left Sky Sports, and was building and promoting the Box Nation boxing TV channel'.

The main point I am trying to make is? MatchRoom and Eddie Hearn specifically, he is a great promoter in terms of building a product 'But I don't think he is a great promoter always in terms of developing fighters from a pure competitive perspective'.

Note: And when I look at Conor Benn's career? I think Hearn has done some of his best work in terms if trying to make Conor Benn into a boxing product 'Trying to play him off as some sort of Ricky Hatton, Nigel Benn type brutal furious fighter'. But I also think Hearn has done some of his worst work ever, in terms of developing Conor Benn as fighter'.

Benn has never involved in a real fight 'All of his fights have been manufactured, so there is a increased likely-hood that he would win. Even this fight against Chris Eubank Junior, the rehydration clause is a ingredient in the match up, that is attempting to manufacture a Conor Benn win'.

Chris Eubank Junior in comparison, Eubank Senior actually developed Chris Eubank Junior as a fighter rather well 'He has fought the old school way, fighting for the British title before moving on to European and World level. And I see many people criticizing him for losing fights'.

Eubank Junior has lost fights because; he has not been involved in manufactured fights 'He has fought many fighters, who were there to win. And even during those loses, Chris Eubank Junior has shown at the very least, that he is a solid fighter'.

To conclude: But I don't regard this fight alongside mega British Boxing fights such as Frank Bruno vs Lennox Lewis, Chris Eubank Junior vs Nigel Benn I & II and many more 'I personally think Liam Smith vs Chris Eubank Junior III, is potentially a bigger and more significant fight that could still be made'.

Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior is a intriguing fight, similar to the way Rolly Romero vs Gervonta Tank Davis or Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Tank Davis was 'The dynamic between the fighters, the passion and at times hostility'.

Eddie Hearn is most likely seeking to compensate for not making Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury already 'But real boxing fans, and people within the boxing community know? That this fight is nowhere near that level of a fight'.

It is a domestic level fight, between two dynamic fighters due to their own careers 'And association to their fathers boxing legacies' etc.

[hugh grant]

Nigel thinking Eubank glassed his son? Come on Nigel, Chris aint that crazy?

[Oregonian]

Cheers man, thanks.

I personally enjoy a good domestic match up, whether that be in British Boxing or America 'Well when it comes to American fights, I consider all American fights domestic match ups. So I extend the competitive range to involving fighters from Mexico and Puerto. When fighters collided from those areas at a solid level, they historically have always produced ether great fights or compelling match ups in terms of the dynamics between the fighter's characters'.

Adrien Broner vs Paulie Malignaggi, Danny Garcia vs Keith Thurman, Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Tank Davis, Rolly Romero vs Gervonta Tank Davis 'In recent times and going back some years those are some of the all American domestic level fights that, I thought were great. Whether that is the debates during the build up, or action produced during the fights'.

I have always maintained that Zab Judah vs Miguel Cotto 'Was one of the best All American fights post the 90's.

'I have only become more interested in this fight since, the fallout from their first fight. But I will admit? It is by no means, a high level fight'.

Ben Shalom stated that 'He does not believe Eddie Hearn believes Conor Benn can win. Hearn is just promoting the fight with all of his outlandish statements in regards to Benn's abilities'. All of a sudden Benn is a monster puncher, and his being compared to his father Nigel Benn at his peak. Hearn has been saying things such as? Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior, is going to be like Nigel Benn vs Iran Barkley. With Conor Benn blasting through Chris Eubank Junior in a similar brutal and violent fashion'.

What people need to realize with Eddie Hearn is what Frank Warren used to always say about the Hearn's 'They are accountants by trade'. MatchRoom and Eddie Hearn are not boxing people on a fundamental level, the same way many other boxing promoters are'.

Many years ago, I saw an interview with Eddie Hearn 'Were he was stating that, Match Room did not really need to be in boxing. Because as a company they cover so many other sports'. This was during a time when Frank Warren had just left Sky Sports, and was building and promoting the Box Nation boxing TV channel'.

The main point I am trying to make is? MatchRoom and Eddie Hearn specifically, he is a great promoter in terms of building a product 'But I don't think he is a great promoter always in terms of developing fighters from a pure competitive perspective'.

Note: And when I look at Conor Benn's career? I think Hearn has done some of his best work in terms if trying to make Conor Benn into a boxing product 'Trying to play him off as some sort of Ricky Hatton, Nigel Benn type brutal furious fighter'. But I also think Hearn has done some of his worst work ever, in terms of developing Conor Benn as fighter'.

Benn has never involved in a real fight 'All of his fights have been manufactured, so there is a increased likely-hood that he would win. Even this fight against Chris Eubank Junior, the rehydration clause is a ingredient in the match up, that is attempting to manufacture a Conor Benn win'.

Chris Eubank Junior in comparison, Eubank Senior actually developed Chris Eubank Junior as a fighter rather well 'He has fought the old school way, fighting for the British title before moving on to European and World level. And I see many people criticizing him for losing fights'.

Eubank Junior has lost fights because; he has not been involved in manufactured fights 'He has fought many fighters, who were there to win. And even during those loses, Chris Eubank Junior has shown at the very least, that he is a solid fighter'.

To conclude: But I don't regard this fight alongside mega British Boxing fights such as Frank Bruno vs Lennox Lewis, Chris Eubank Junior vs Nigel Benn I & II and many more 'I personally think Liam Smith vs Chris Eubank Junior III, is potentially a bigger and more significant fight that could still be made'.

Conor Benn vs Chris Eubank Junior is a intriguing fight, similar to the way Rolly Romero vs Gervonta Tank Davis or Ryan Garcia vs Gervonta Tank Davis was 'The dynamic between the fighters, the passion and at times hostility'.

Eddie Hearn is most likely seeking to compensate for not making Anthony Joshua vs Tyson Fury already 'But real boxing fans, and people within the boxing community know? That this fight is nowhere near that level of a fight'.

It is a domestic level fight, between two dynamic fighters due to their own careers 'And association to their fathers boxing legacies' etc.

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Once again, I’m in agreement. Often times, great rivalries tend to get bigger when it’s two different cultures pitted against one another (Floyd vs Mexican fighters, Oscar vs Tito etc) or when the first encounter exceeds expectations (Ali vs Frazier, PAC vs Marquez, etc). So I understand the beef and rivalry between Benn and Eubank. Like you said, Eubank is an accomplished boxer and has given a decent account of himself while having a decent career. Benn on the other hand is, well, everything you said.

The one thing I’ve noticed and I guess it’s where American criticism stems from is, our cousins across the pond tend to hold American boxers on a much higher pedestal than we do. For example, not too long ago, a washed up Broner vs Khan or Benn was considered a huge fight by a lot of British fans.

Calzaghe (one of my favorite boxers), beating an old past his prime shell of Roy Jones was considered a win for the ages in the UK. It certainly was not. To this day, many many Brits believe prime for prime, Calzaghe would beat Roy Jones. I get it, we tend to root for our homegrown talent but as you can tell Americans aren’t like Brits. When Hatton came to fight in the US, thousands of Brits followed him. You will never see that kind of loyalty towards a Floyd or a Roy Jones or Crawford. No one is traveling to another country to root for their guy.

The same is true with sports teams. Eons ago, I recall when Man United had a Champions League game in Turkey vs Galatasaray and over twenty thousand Man U fans traveled to cheer for their team. That shït blew my mind. Literally gave me goosebumps! That’s what you call a fan base.
You are never going to see New England fans travel to Texas to watch their “beloved” Patriots play against the Cowboys.

We see it all the time. Tens of thousands of fans traveling on hundreds of buses going from England to Spain or Germany to France or Milan to Moscow during their Champions League matches.
We don’t have that kind of loyalty towards our favorite teams or even boxers.

[Oregonian]

I'd prefer a double ko.

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That works too. It’s happened before.

[PRINCEKOOL]

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Once again, I’m in agreement. Often times, great rivalries tend to get bigger when it’s two different cultures pitted against one another (Floyd vs Mexican fighters, Oscar vs Tito etc) or when the first encounter exceeds expectations (Ali vs Frazier, PAC vs Marquez, etc). So I understand the beef and rivalry between Benn and Eubank. Like you said, Eubank is an accomplished boxer and has given a decent account of himself while having a decent career. Benn on the other hand is, well, everything you said.

The one thing I’ve noticed and I guess it’s where American criticism stems from is, our cousins across the pond tend to hold American boxers on a much higher pedestal than we do. For example, not too long ago, a washed up Broner vs Khan or Benn was considered a huge fight by a lot of British fans.

Calzaghe (one of my favorite boxers), beating an old past his prime shell of Roy Jones was considered a win for the ages in the UK. It certainly was not. To this day, many many Brits believe prime for prime, Calzaghe would beat Roy Jones. I get it, we tend to root for our homegrown talent but as you can tell Americans aren’t like Brits. When Hatton came to fight in the US, thousands of Brits followed him. You will never see that kind of loyalty towards a Floyd or a Roy Jones or Crawford. No one is traveling to another country to root for their guy.

The same is true with sports teams. Eons ago, I recall when Man United had a Champions League game in Turkey vs Galatasaray and over twenty thousand Man U fans traveled to cheer for their team. That shït blew my mind. Literally gave me goosebumps! That’s what you call a fan base.
You are never going to see New England fans travel to Texas to watch their “beloved” Patriots play against the Cowboys.

We see it all the time. Tens of thousands of fans traveling on hundreds of buses going from England to Spain or Germany to France or Milan to Moscow during their Champions League matches.
We don’t have that kind of loyalty towards our favorite teams or even boxers.

'It is not just within boxing it is all sports. And I can only imagine, that this starts pretty much at grassroots i.e. Athletes being held to extremely high standards, and experiencing major jeopardy if they don't perform to a certain standard. Way before they are even in the professional ranks, that is the culture they experience and have to survive'.

A former US Athlete and Olympic Champion called Michael Johnson, described this culture many years ago 'While he was a member of the BBC broadcasting team covering the 2006 Commonwealth Games'.

Track and Field Athletes in the US are permitted to attend and compete at their national trials 'Every single year. If the athletes don't turn up, or place in the top 3 positions in their event? They will not qualify for whatever national championships are being held that year. Now that is a high level of jeopardy'.

It does not matter who you are? The athletes are given no passes 'They must prove themselves every single year, in an Championship environment. The national trials in Athletics, can be class as a open class competition. You can have professionals, Amateurs and Collegiate athletes all competing against one another to make the national team'.

Note: Carl Lewis after the decade of the 1980's 'Was pretty much the biggest most notorious track and field athlete of all-times. That would have been the universal perception of him during that time. But we should also factor in athletes such as Jesse Owens, and Steve Prefontaine, at least form a American perspective'.

He won 4 Olympic Gold Medals in the 1984 Olympics, and then became the first man in history to defend his 100m and 200m titles in 1988 Olympics. Carl Lewis also went undefeated in the Long Jump for a entire decade. That unbeaten run concluded in 1991, during a competition were both Carl Lewis and Mike Powel broke the World record, which was held by Bob Beamon. Lewis jumped 8.91m, Powell 8.95m'

In 1992 Carl Lewis was ill, just before the US Olympic trials 'He still turned up to the US trails and attempted to quality for the 100m, 200m and Long Jump competitions. Lewis clearly not being in his best condition, was unable to qualify for any of his sprint events. But fortunately he did recover enough to qualify for the long jump competition, which I believe was staged in the second week of the trials'.

To conclude: The UK culture towards competition and sport 'I think is more appreciative towards going the distance, and giving your all. I don't necessarily believe the culture is wrong. Because Great Britain Historically is a great sporting nation, I would not say Britain has ever dominated any single Global sport? But Great Britain when they are passionate about a sport, have historically always been a factor in those sports'.

I think sports such as Boxing, Soccer, Rugby, Track and Field Athletics 'Those sports prove that statement of mine to be true'.

I personally focus more on individual sports, because? I think the demands put upon the athletes can be more intense, and brutal'. In my opinion the best athletes in teams sports, are usually the ones who approach the game as individuals primarily. Michael Jordan was not just competing against other teams, he was competing against players on his own team year in year out'.

That is a very similar attitude and conduct, that all individual athletes know 'That they must install within themselves, if they are going to train and compete at their best'.

Yes American sports fans seem to be very critical for their athletes 'It does take more for people to appreciate your work or feats achieved. This can be a negative, but also a positive. Because once an athlete has gained the accreditation from the sport and the community, it is the Gold Standard'.

Last year Oscar De La Hoya stated something which many people passed over 'In today's culture. It was during the build up to Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney. Oscar De La Hoya stated 'That if a fighter can make it in New York City, they can make it anywhere'.

I still think that stands the test of time, especially within a sport like boxing 'And that is why if Anthony Joshua ever wins a World title again, I have always maintained that I wanted to see him fight in America again. Preferable in New York City' etc.