Comments Thread For: A Monster, a GWOAT and two different views from the same perch

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David Benavidez and Claressa Shields both fought within the light heavyweight limit and within 24 hours of each other. But what's available for them next is very different, explains Eric Raskin.
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[MulaKO]

I must admit I am not really into women's boxing and have watched very, very few fights in my life - maybe 3 to 5 max. I don't really know why but I do not get excited at the prospect of watching two women fight no matter how big or how significant it is.

Your being to modest calling gwoat a woman

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Honestly women fighting is just silly. I am all for female sports and I like a good tennis match or volleyball match as well anyone else. Combat sports go back to ancient times. Men were created to protect and fight, which led to combat sports and showing who was the toughest.

Watching women fight is like watching sixth graders play basketball. Yeah, they can play and you may see a few kids who can shoot the lights out and display some skill. But the level is so far below college level that the only reason you'd watch it is because your kid is on a team or something.

It isn't an insult to women, they just aren't physically very good fighters. No matter what agenda is being pushed or how bad "equality among the ***es" is pushed. The minute a woman appears in the sport who can equal a man in terms of power and taking a hit, and who can beat men, that woman will be watched non stop. But that isn't reality.

So do we give them opportunity? Sure, they should have the opportunity. But let's not act like most people care or show up to watch them. They ride the coattails of men boxing and always will. People mostly cringe at it.

[Oregonian]

Honestly women fighting is just silly. I am all for female sports and I like a good tennis match or volleyball match as well anyone else. Combat sports go back to ancient times. Men were created to protect and fight, which led to combat sports and showing who was the toughest.

Watching women fight is like watching sixth graders play basketball. Yeah, they can play and you may see a few kids who can shoot the lights out and display some skill. But the level is so far below college level that the only reason you'd watch it is because your kid is on a team or something.

It isn't an insult to women, they just aren't physically very good fighters. No matter what agenda is being pushed or how bad "equality among the ***es" is pushed. The minute a woman appears in the sport who can equal a man in terms of power and taking a hit, and who can beat men, that woman will be watched non stop. But that isn't reality.

So do we give them opportunity? Sure, they should have the opportunity. But let's not act like most people care or show up to watch them. They ride the coattails of men boxing and always will. People mostly cringe at it.

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Couldn’t agree more. In the financial context, I recall Serena Williams complaining about equal pay after her US Open finals circa 2008 I think. When she was told that The men’s finals had an attendance of 25,000 spectators while her own finals had less than 6,000 people, she had no response. She was also told about TV ratings difference and again no response.

When it comes to sports, only facts should matter. Even if we keep it strictly in the women’s perspective, Anna Kournikoba has never won a single professional tennis championship yet she was making ten times more than Serena in endorsement deals. Where is the outrage from women? It’s pretty obvious why Kourjikova was the darling of brands. I don’t think it’s fair but we don’t get to dictate the market pull. Numbers and stats do.

[SUBZER0ED]

I must admit I am not really into women's boxing and have watched very, very few fights in my life - maybe 3 to 5 max. I don't really know why but I do not get excited at the prospect of watching two women fight no matter how big or how significant it is.

Call me a pig, sexist or whatever, but when I see two women boxing, the main thing that I think about is whether I find them attractive.

[NihonJim]

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Couldn’t agree more. In the financial context, I recall Serena Williams complaining about equal pay after her US Open finals circa 2008 I think. When she was told that The men’s finals had an attendance of 25,000 spectators while her own finals had less than 6,000 people, she had no response. She was also told about TV ratings difference and again no response.

When it comes to sports, only facts should matter. Even if we keep it strictly in the women’s perspective, Anna Kournikoba has never won a single professional tennis championship yet she was making ten times more than Serena in endorsement deals. Where is the outrage from women? It’s pretty obvious why Kourjikova was the darling of brands. I don’t think it’s fair but we don’t get to dictate the market pull. Numbers and stats do.

In any athletic event where things like strength, speed and power are the primary performance indicators, men will always be superior, it's just biology. Again regarding Serena, you'd think she would have learned...


1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters


Another event dubbed a "Battle of the ***es" took place during the 1998 Australian Open^[64] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple of bottles of ice cold lager".^[65][64] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,^[66] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.^[64] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance." He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun"^[67] and that the big difference was that men can chase down shots much more easily and put spin on the ball that female players could not handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.^[64]

[MulaKO]

Call me a pig, sexist or whatever, but when I see two women boxing, the main thing that I think about is whether I find them attractive.

Nothing attractive about gwoat
Sorry brother but she far from attractive

[MulaKO]

In any athletic event where things like strength, speed and power are the primary performance indicators, men will always be superior, it's just biology. Again regarding Serena, you'd think she would have learned...


1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters


Another event dubbed a "Battle of the ***es" took place during the 1998 Australian Open^[64] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple of bottles of ice cold lager".^[65][64] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,^[66] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two shandies. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.^[64] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance." He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun"^[67] and that the big difference was that men can chase down shots much more easily and put spin on the ball that female players could not handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.^[64]

Lmfao

Good read and thanks for the laughs

[SUBZER0ED]

"And if Benavidez proceeds to capture the 175-pound championship from one of those men, Alvarez may even see the reward as worth the risk at that point."
Alvarez won't fight Bivol ever again and he won't even imagine a fight vs Beterbiev until Artur suddenly gets old in the ring. He's refused to fight Benavidez @ SMW, suggesting that he's too big for the division. So, if David somehow beats either Dmitri or Artur @ LHW, there's no way Saul suddenly grows a pair and fights him.

[Left Hook Louie]

Call me a pig, sexist or whatever, but when I see two women boxing, the main thing that I think about is whether I find them attractive.

It's only natural.
Men look at women as women.
Which is what they are.
If womens' boxing wasn't so bereft of talent you and I might not focus quite as much on the eye-candy appeal (or lack thereof in most cases).
I like Skye Nicolson because she actually can box (although sadly lacking in knockout power) and is rather attractive as well.