Comments Thread For: Did Tyson Fury have the wrong plan for Oleksandr Usyk?

[BoxingUpdates]

Tyson Fury's strategy for his rematch with Oleksandr Usyk was difficult to decipher prior to the fight.Even if it was clear in his own mind and executed according to plan, was it also a miscalculation?
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[BodyBagz]

Piling on the blubber, in the HW div, is considered a game plan in this decrepit HW era

A "big" reason why HWs should never be up for the p4p title.

[JeBron Lamez]

Yes he had the wrong plan, in both fights.

Anyone who actually watched Usyk's career up until Fury part one KNEW FOR A FACT that he has NEVER been weak to the body.

DDD had the world gassed up like they knew something looooool, hence the tepid swipes to the midriff Fury kept taking throughout the first fight.

Neglect your jab as a big man, neglect your uppercut against a shorter fighter.... you're already handing a guy advantages.

When that guy is Oleksandr Usyk, it's a recipe for defeat.

[NihonJim]

He didn't have the wrong gameplan he just didn't have the tools.

The blueprint to beat Usyk is in the Chisora 1 fight.

Pressure and attack, get low, come in fast and attack the guy. Get him on Defence with no time or space to get his skills into play.

I maintain to this day that Until Chisora started to tire, Usyk didn't have a lot of answers for that approach from Chisora.

A pressure fighter with good stamina would be all wrong for Usyk.

If Fury was a few years younger he may have been able to try the wilder 2 approach of coming forward constantly, but to be honest as a big 6'9" 270lb guy I don't know if he ever had the stamina to use that approach for 12 rounds.

Also Fury has never been a Wladamir Klitschko or Lennox Lewis in terms of being able to maintain range. Fury has always been a herky jerky, flicky jab style guy on the outside, more relient on spooking and confusing opponents than utilizing a ramrod, painful jab like lewis and Klitschko.

Prime Wlad or Lewis might have been able to land with stiff jabs on Usyk from outside, and they might have made him hesitate similar to how lomachenko was fended off by Lopez jab for half the fight.

But Fury and AJ for that matter just weren't good enough to beat Usyk, that's all it is, both had two goes at it, there's no mystery what went wrong.

[crixus85]

Too much is made of the Chisora fight. Usyk was only acclimatising to handling the big lumps, only having had the Witherspoon fight previously.
Fury, despite having “Kronk’s finest” and Andy Lee in his corner, plus months of intensive training, still with all of things in his favour, came up empty!

[richardt]

He came in at his highest weight! I knew before the fight he should have conditioned himself for speed to land more punches. Bottom line, he is not as good and doesn't have the discipline to train down to a faster weight.

[richardt]

Too much is made of the Chisora fight. Usyk was only acclimatising to handling the big lumps, only having had the Witherspoon fight previously.
Fury, despite having “Kronk’s finest” and Andy Lee in his corner, plus months of intensive training, still with all of things in his favour, came up empty!

Obviously his stomach wasn't coming up empty! If he was doing intensive training, there is no way he would have come in at his highest career weight ever! He was slacking and eating what he wanted instead of getting closer to is ideal weight and getting back some speed that could have helped him. And at no point did he press for a KO.

[Toffee]

I can't believe there is still a view that the extra weight was strategic. As soon as he weighed in I called it that by far the most likely explanation was that he hadn't trained well.

Of course it wasn't a strategy. A fat man doesn't get fatter due to strategy, he gets fatter due to a lack of discipline. And you certainly wouldn't need extra weight against a guy who will make a tactic of draining your stamina.

All the talk of his heavy clothing smacked of Andy Ruiz and people claiming he was just wearing a heavy sombrero when he weighed in for the Joshua rematch. No, he was fat and untrained.

The scales always tell a story. People just chose to believe the far fetched ones.

[MONGOOSE66]

I can’t get over how dumb boxers can be and their trainers. Their are so many examples of how big heavyweights beat small fast heavyweights. It’s no secret. Fury should have at least tried to do it the right way. He should have also at least act like he lost the first fight. He went in there with NO HUNGER. Time to retire.

[NihonJim]

Too much is made of the Chisora fight. Usyk was only acclimatising to handling the big lumps, only having had the Witherspoon fight previously.
Fury, despite having “Kronk’s finest” and Andy Lee in his corner, plus months of intensive training, still with all of things in his favour, came up empty!

Why did he handle Joe Joyce with ease in the WSB then?

Styles make fights