Comments Thread For: One quit is not the end

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Eric Raskin disagrees that Robeisy Ramirez's career is over after he "quit" against Rafael Espinzoa and argues instead that boxing history is awash with great champions who knew when to save themselves for another day
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[boxingitis]

Can someone point to me where an elbow landed supposedly by Espinoza.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Can someone point to me where an elbow landed supposedly by Espinoza.

I saw one on Facebook, but I don’t know how to share it. I’m guessing it was the one in the fifth that Team Ramirez blamed for the fracture. I noticed Espinoza threw at least one blatant elbow in the first fight. In the rematch he threw another blatant one in the first round, which the ref warned him for. Elbow warnings aren’t especially common in boxing. They’re far behind low-blows and rabbit punches. Espinoza seems to be a fan of them.

[axident]

I am not a fighter like Tim Bradley and have no idea what it feels like to have my eye socket broken, but I consider myself an astute observer of sweet science and I have to say that I love the violence in our sport. Stil, we are not watching gladiators fight to death,: this is a sport and I dont want to see anybody die in the ring. I have ssen it a few times and it really messed me up and made me question myself and the love for the sport. So I beg the blood thirsty ghouls, the ones that do live comentary and supposed to be objective,to give a fighter a benefit of a doubt, especially a fighter as experienced as Ramirez. On that note did anybody else noticed how much bigger Espinoza was than Ramirez. It looked to me like fetherweight was fightin a welterweight. That is just my observation. Thank you Eric for writting this article. I have side with you on this one

[boxingitis]

I saw one on Facebook, but I don’t know how to share it. I’m guessing it was the one in the fifth that Team Ramirez blamed for the fracture. I noticed Espinoza threw at least one blatant elbow in the first fight. In the rematch he threw another blatant one in the first round, which the ref warned him for. Elbow warnings aren’t especially common in boxing. They’re far behind low-blows and rabbit punches. Espinoza seems to be a fan of them.

I see it. It's possible. It's all a possibility that he was trying to throw a left hook while Robeisy is pushing his hand down, seeming like he was throwing an elbow.

Minute 1:18 of round 1.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I am not a fighter like Tim Bradley and have no idea what it feels like to have my eye socket broken, but I consider myself an astute observer of sweet science and I have to say that I love the violence in our sport. Stil, we are not watching gladiators fight to death,: this is a sport and I dont want to see anybody die in the ring. I have ssen it a few times and it really messed me up and made me question myself and the love for the sport. So I beg the blood thirsty ghouls, the ones that do live comentary and supposed to be objective,to give a fighter a benefit of a doubt, especially a fighter as experienced as Ramirez. On that note did anybody else noticed how much bigger Espinoza was than Ramirez. It looked to me like fetherweight was fightin a welterweight. That is just my observation. Thank you Eric for writting this article. I have side with you on this one

Espinoza weighted 7 lbs more than Ramirez after rehydrating. So Robeisy was about 12 lbs over his weigh-in weight and Divino 19 lbs.

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Espinoza weighted 7 lbs more than Ramirez after rehydrating. So Robeisy was about 12 lbs over his weigh-in weight and Divino 19 lbs.

So Espinoza was 145 lbs fight night, so if he challenged a small JWW who was 149 on fight night there is only 4 lb between them, before such a matchup fans would be screaming about jumping up 3 division blah blah blah, this is exactly how guys jumping weight classes can do it, Manny was 144 fight night with a 130 weigh-in, so in reality its not near the task if your fighting a guy within a few pounds in the actual fight the same as you always was, the weight classes narrative is BS in certain situations, the actually fight night weights is where its at , that is what tells the real tale of the tape concerning weight classes.