why are people calling the pac and morales figtht close??

**SacTown1** · 03-21-2005, 02:08 PM

good points, PacMan fans resemble Tyson fans, they always have lousy excuses as to why their guy got his a$$ kicked, and it's never the fighter's fault it's always the promoter/gloves/weather/weight/etc....Manny fans know that their boy got trounced but many of them (not all of em, but many) won't concede to the fact that PacMan is about 15 pounds past his prime weight and his best days are way way behind him

**TyrantT316** · 03-21-2005, 02:10 PM

thing is...fighters are usually what they are born to be...Pacman is a speedy slugger with power...no one is going to turn him into Floyd Mayweather Jr at this point...

so taking time off and learning something new in sparring isn't exactly going to change who he is as a fighter...sure he may be able to jab more after working on it in the gym (Gatti), but in the end when the time comes, he will most likely resort back to what he has been doing for so long...

I like them both though...Morales clearly won the fight...it was somewhat competative in the sense that Manny was always there and still able to hurt El T late, but Morales clearly won

**lapulapu** · 03-21-2005, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=cvt]i was rooting for pac since i do have filipino blood. but after the marquez fight i knew all morales had to do was box to win. erik exceeded my expectations even more when he DELIBERATLEY taunted manny by switching to south paw in the 12th.

Can't see the point of your filipino blood dude. Guess you must be related to Recah Trinidad or Hermie Rivera. Come on!

**Super_Lightweight** · 03-21-2005, 02:17 PM

hmm

first off...the gloves- anyone who has been in the ring will tell you that no matter what kind of gloves you have and at the level these guys are fighting it won't matter. besides, erik threw more compact short punches and the reyes gloves would have given pac more problems.

I have been in the ring. Rockin' has also been in the ring, and we both will say that gloves do make a difference. The difference is mental and physical. Some argue that Erik's punches would have been harder, however, Erik has brittle hands, which is why he asked for winning gloves in the first place. Let's not forget it was Morales' camp who got that into the contract.

Secondly, the fight was close. Close doesn't mean controversial, because we all knew Pac lost and Erik won. This is what we call a "close but clear" decision. Another examples of a close but clear decision might be Jones-Hopkins I. Erik won either 7 rounds or 8 rounds in most people's eyes. That means either Manny lost by one round or he lost by 2, in each case it is indeed a close fight.

I myself do not claim the gloves won or lost the fight for either man. I will give my full opinion after watching the fight closely but I think the heabutt might have affected Pac, as well as not-so-great training habits. Still, anyone would be a fool not to give credit to Morales because he trained very hard and it is not his fault that Pac didn't look like Pacman.

The bottom line is, I think the fight was close enough that in a rematch (say, in a year or two) things could be different, although not dramaticaly different, just enough difference to get Pac the nod. We will see I hope.

**m00ks** · 03-21-2005, 02:18 PM

Yeah I saw it again and it wasn't. It was closer to many people's eyes cuz Pac provided excitement. He was getting tagged but he wasn't going down withouta fight. It was funny cuz it was like watching DLH. The crowd responded to MP's punches and made them look more effective than they were. I guess he really did appeal to the public.

**Super_Lightweight** · 03-21-2005, 02:22 PM

hmm

won't concede to the fact that PacMan is about 15 pounds past his prime weight and his best days are way way behind him

Some might have said similar things about Morales after his performances vs Chavez and Barrera, so let's not get carried away.

As for Pac fans being like Tyson fans...no fans are that bad except maybe some of those Tito guys. All the Pac fans (I've seen) have been very reasonable in their estimation of the fight. There's no evidence to sugest they would have done anything other than celebrate if their guy had won.

After the Morales fight, if Pac fans were so bad, we wouldn't have seen so many of them admitting, and even finding comradery with Morales fans in defeat.

**Run** · 03-21-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Super_Lightweight

All the Pac fans (I've seen) have been very reasonable in their estimation of the fight. .

I have not seen those posters.

all I saw were predictions reading:
Pacman K.O. 1, Pac K.O. 2, etc. In a chronological round fashion. Blind ignorance towards the superior fighter in Erik Morales.

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**m00ks** · 03-21-2005, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by cvt

i was rooting for pac since i do have filipino blood. but after the marquez fight i knew all morales had to do was box to win. erik exceeded my expectations even more when he DELIBERATLEY taunted manny by switching to south paw in the 12th.

first off...the gloves- anyone who has been in the ring will tell you that no matter what kind of gloves you have and at the level these guys are fighting it won't matter. besides, erik threw more compact short punches and the reyes gloves would have given pac more problems.

secondly...morales can jab. he kept pac at a distance (HIS distance) and smacked him with right strights alternating to the body and to the head. pac has a 'feeler' jab that kinda marks for his straight left...which if you think about it will telegraph where it is headed. pac needed to have a jab that stung...or at least learn how to counter like a southpaw and go over morales' jab with his left straight. nope...all he knows is to go foward and give out that 1-2, 1-2 combo.

thirdly...short punches. my god. after barrera having such success with short hooks to the body and uppercuts up close to moroales...you would think pac would train for it. nope. his manilla ice was a dud. his left uppercut was non-existent. he fought at a distance and backed up straight with a taller bigger guy.

fourthly...let's be honest. 115-113?...i rooted for pac but gimme a break. morales dictated that fight. watch that fight again. the rounds where manny won (except the 1st the 12th) morales was taking a breather.

this was not close. i've watched the fight 3 times already.pac needs to go back to the drawing board and learn some lateral movement and to school up on some short punches (plus get some discipline on not to press the issue...a good counter is just as good as running foward....lol).

my hat goes off to these two fighters. but pac needs to lay off and more ring smart.

I agree that short compact punches were the way to go. The few times that Pac was able to get in he wasn't landing hard nor clear on the inside. Morales would turtle up and protect himself. So those barrage of punches didn't do ****. He needed short and compact uppercuts and hooks like you said.

He was too far for his lead right hook and almost reached in. Morales would just pop teh jab to keep Pac at bay.
When his gameplan was nulified, he couln't adapt cuz he didn't any additional arsenal in his repertoire. Amazing athelete, tons of potential but needs to be groomed.

**PRboxingfan** · 03-21-2005, 02:32 PM

I had it 116-112 for Erik in, what I believed, was a clear victory for EM. Morales, baring the 12th round, put on a great boxing match. The 12th was more of a let-it-all-hang-out type round. Plus, him switching to southpaw was a ****** move. He only did it to mess with Pac's head and it could've cost him the fight.

why are people calling the pac and morales figtht close??