Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: The future for Boots Ennis, Mike Tyson, and the brilliance of Bam Rodriguez

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[SteveM]

Bread taking a biased view of the UK boxing scene. Again. He talks about the UK under performing per capita. The USA has (just under) 5 times the population of Britain but it doesn't have 5 times the number of world champions .

As of November 15th 2024 the US has 14 world champions (15 if you count puerto rico as part of the USA). and the UK has 4 at the moment. So per capita the UK is faring better than the USA. Obviously this fluctuates month to month. Tonight we may lose a champ in CBS.

And this is actually a thin patch for the UK compared to recent years when we had more champs - deserving or not - such as Leigh Wood, Fury, Warrington, Joe Cordina etc. and I'd say a purple patch for the US what with 3 champs at ww who refuse to fight each other and who in other eras would have unified.

The best boxing country per capita? Historically it's probably Cuba. THE USA has 30 times the population of Cuba. As of today Cuba has 2 world champions. To match this the uSA would need all the other champions in every weight class to be American which has never and will never happen.

[JeBron Lamez]

Tyson Fury & the ghost of Randy Turpin would disagree that "the (UK has) never had the No. 1 P4P fighter", plus in 2016 Carl Frampton was The Ring Mag azine, The Boxing Writers Association of America and ESPN's Fighter of the Year & that's not exactly nothing.

[BrankoB]

I am pleasantly surprised that Breadman was honest and unemotional about Boots performance. Perhaps he is now seeing what we are all seeing - huge talent, yet to be tested properly on the world stage and who now desperately needs some decent challenges to continue developing his potential. The fact that he still thinks that Boots is equal to Crawford does not sit very well with me, but, hey we all have different opinions which cannot be proven until and if they fight.

[Mark Elding]

Tyson Fury & the ghost of Randy Turpin would disagree that "the (UK has) never had the No. 1 P4P fighter", plus in 2016 Carl Frampton was The Ring Mag azine, The Boxing Writers Association of America and ESPN's Fighter of the Year & that's not exactly nothing.

Why would they disagree? Are you suggesting that Fury has at any time in his career warranted consideration as the best pound for pound in the sport? And beating THE man, like Turpin did, doesn’t necessarily make you THE man, otherwise Buster Douglas and Antonio Tarver would also stake much better claims than they actually did.

[JeBron Lamez]

Are you suggesting that Fury has at any time in his career warranted consideration as the best pound for pound in the sport?

Yes, very much so.

[Mark Elding]

I liked those comments from Ray about Chavez-Taylor. Julio doesn’t get enough credit for his performance in that fight. He shouldn’t have needed a miracle stoppage to win. Watch closely, which is really difficult because of Taylor’s incredible hand speed, and it’s apparent that Chavez scored better and with more impact in virtually every round. His defense was on point, like Ray said, and he was breaking Meldrick up from pretty early in the fight.. It’s just that Taylor’s heart and hand speed was so eye catching that they created an illusion. In any case, JC was a 15 round fighter stuck in a 12 round era. Great, great fighter. One of the ten best ever in my book.

[JeBron Lamez]

beating THE man, like Turpin did, doesn’t necessarily make you THE man,

Correct, but that performance meant exactly that for Turpin until the rematch. There's a reason the GOAT wasn't up for a rubber match...

[Mark Elding]

Yes, very much so.

At what point in his career? The Wilder victories? Give a guy like Lomachenko that kind of natural size advantage and he doesn’t lose a round, even with a torn labrum.

[Mark Elding]

Correct, but that performance meant exactly that for Turpin until the rematch. There's a reason the GOAT wasn't up for a rubber match...

I completely agree that Turpin was a seriously tricky style for Robinson.