Comments Thread For: It's better to wait than be overweight: Why boxing needs a new weigh-in policy

[Groin Grabber]

I like the idea but it would be impossible to enforce it.

Just like your ****** insurance plan lmao

[real raw]

The solution is simple. SAME DAY WEIGH IN. That's the way it used to be and forces the fighters to compete in their correct weight divisions.

I like that idea. Ametures weigh in just before the fight. There would be more accurate weight divisions. No fighter would dare dropping down so low as to almost faint on the scales as a female UFC fighter did just a few weeks back.

[Groin Grabber]

Same day weigh ins would stop this

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

Just like your ****** insurance plan lmao

Nothing ****** about it , you can get insurance for a lot more things than you know. Actuaries figure out the probability of something happening.... Nevermind , why bother...Pearls before swine.

[Groin Grabber]

Nothing ****** about it , you can get insurance for a lot more things than you know. Actuaries figure out the probability of something happening.... Nevermind , why bother...

Blah blah blah boy

[SteveM]

The easiest way is no money if you miss weight - or a series of progressively worse fines. Dais team knew that Lemos likely couldn't make 135 - so as the A side that was on them. Lemos' team, if they knew he couldn't make 135 and would lose his purse if he missed it would never have signed for the fight.

[JeBron Lamez]

Weight cutting as a widespread practice began as a supposed way to avoid a size disavantage, rather than to actually attempt to gain an advantage.

As a concept, however, it began as a supposed way to gain an advantage, because whoever thought of it first was/were the only one/s doing it.

Makes me wonder who was/were the first one/s to do it & look great while destroying a clearly smaller (& I'd imagine somewhat susp icious) opponent, making the world sit up & go; "hey, if they're doing it then we should do it too!"

I honestly like same-day weigh-ins with fighters who are at their natural size. It's just that after so very, very long of living in this weight-cutting culture the resistance to change will be YUUUUGE (the upheaval of enforcing a complete revolution in an entire profession & culture, everyone's on PED's anyway, people's jobs on the line, fighters won't trust everyone else to even do it etc etc etc).

[PRINCEKOOL]

The solution is simple. SAME DAY WEIGH IN. That's the way it used to be and forces the fighters to compete in their correct weight divisions.

I agree. The toxic weight draining culture, is a modern day phenomenon in boxing 'During the era's of boxing, when fighters fought under the Same Day Weight in Rules. Fighters were less inclined to weight drain themselves, because quite simply? There was very little acute benefit, in such a short amount of time between the weigh in and fight night'.

I have stated this many times before on this forum, during discussions 'And I am content, that NOW other people within the boxing community are agreeing with me'.

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, that we see in boxing game today 'Is a completely modern phenomenon, that did not exist in past boxing era's. Any top level boxing historian, will know this'.

I think the issue with certain folk in the boxing community, including the amateur and professional fighters 'Is that very few people do not have much knowledge of boxing history, beyond a decade backwards in time. There are most likely people who watch boxing now, and follow the sport? That are unaware that boxers used to fight under the Same Day Weigh In rule'.

I have had people try to claim, that fighters such as Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Rocky Graciano, Jake LaMotta 'And many more past great fighters, were all weight draining themselves to the extent that fighters are today. While training under the Same Day Weight in Rule'.

Note: Sugar Ray Robinson had 201 fights in total. Henry Armstrong had 183 fights, once upon a time? Armstrong fought 27 times in one year.

So when Henry Armstrong fought 27 times in 1 year, he weight drained himself 27 times 'Like certain fighters do today? Past fighters under the same day weigh in rule, did not used weight draining tactics to the extreme's modern fighters have utilized them. That is a 100% fact of boxing history'.

Of course due to boxing having weight classes, fighters are always having to make sacrifices during their training so they can compete 'This is not exclusive to boxing, in other sports? The athletes competing also have to be within a specific weight range in order to compete. Body Building, and multiple categories of Motor Sport such as Formula 1 are just two of those sports sharing this similar element of competition. It is not easy, but that is one of the challenges of competing in such a sport'.

There are Motor Racing Drivers, who have to compete at a certain weight 'And they are weighed in on the same day as their competitions. They do not weight drain themselves like certain boxers in this modern era, but they most likely train in certain way to compete at that weight. Lets get this right? That is not what is happening in the sport of boxing today within this modern era, when it comes to certain fighters and how they prepare for a fight'.

The Same Day Weight In Rule, will act as a very strong deterrent in my opinion. This opinion of mine is influenced by empirical evidence that has been gathered through observing boxing history. 'The Same Day Weigh In Rule will create environmental conditions within the sport of boxing, that will make it extremely difficult for fighters to continue using toxic weight draining practice's to the same extent that we sometimes see in the game today'.

Here is a boxing coach Dominic Ingle touching upon the difference between fighters, when they would train and fight under the same day weigh in rule.

At the 4 minute 50 second mark, Ingle touches on how fighters did not weight drain themselves during past era's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8086FLeXmaI

The reasons why, I have posted that video. Is because certain people within the boxing community in this modern era 'Do not want to acknowledge that the Toxic Weight Draining culture that is evident in today's modern boxing era. Is a completely modern phenomenon'.

For your own benefit, I honestly believe that you need to accept this 'If you are a supporter of the sport. Learn the real factual history of the game'.

It is a well known fact, that Floyd Mayweather Junior 'Did not used weight draining tactics during his career. Mayweather Junior in many area's of his training, used old school training methodologies'.

Other fighters who also had similar training styles, and work ethics from this modern boxing era were 'Bernard Hopkins and Carl Froch'.

Those fighters had solid longevity in their careers, and there seemed to be no sudden and dramatic decreased in their performances 'This was most likely due to a combination of their great work ethics, but also training attitude's and how they prepare for a fight. Not using weight draining tactics to the extreme, over a long duration of time benefited them in many area's of their overall conditioning and well being'.

To conclude: I still see people in this thread, claiming that the Same Day Weigh In Rule 'Will actually make competing in boxing more dangerous for certain fighters. Because they will not have enough time to rehydrate after being weighed in. That is this whole point of the Same Day Weigh In Rule being used, because fighters who attempt to STILL apply modern day toxic weight draining practice's, unfortunately? Those fighters will suffer potentially very serve consequences, because of their own actions and how they personally chose to prepare for a fight'.

Fighters will have to learn, understand, accept real quick 'That the rules and parameters of a boxers preparation, have been altered under the same day in rule. If fighters and boxing coaches who promote such toxic weight draining tactics, do not accept this altercation in the game. They will struggle to compete in the sport'

Guys you need to stop watching, supporting, and following combat sports and boxing in complete denial 'And with a lack of knowledge. Because in my opinion this is very dangerous, if? You are involved in the sport, and hold such misinformed and potentially negligent attitudes'.

In other combat sports, they are already 'Attempting to Tackle the toxic culture of modern day weight draining practices' through the use of various revolutionary weigh in systems.

But the difference is boxing historically; for many decades did not suffer from having a toxic weight draining culture to the serve extent we see today 'It is not a fundamental part of the sports history. Especially during the era's when the Same Day Weigh In Rule was being used, during competition' etc.

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[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

The easiest way is no money if you miss weight - or a series of progressively worse fines. Dais team knew that Lemos likely couldn't make 135 - so as the A side that was on them. Lemos' team, if they knew he couldn't make 135 and would lose his purse if he missed it would never have signed for the fight.

From what I understand , Keyshawn got an extra 100k from Lemos purse to go through with the fight.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

I agree. The toxic weight draining culture, is a modern day phenomenon in boxing 'During the era's of boxing, when fighters fought under the Same Day Weight in Rules. Fighters were less inclined to weight drain themselves, because quite simply? There was very little acute benefit, in such a short amount of time between the weigh in and fight night'.

I have stated this many times before on this forum, during discussions 'And I am content, that NOW other people within the boxing community are agreeing with me'.

The Toxic Weight Draining Culture, that we see in boxing game today 'Is a completely modern phenomenon, that did not exist in past boxing era's. Any top level boxing historian, will know this'.

I think the issue with certain folk in the boxing community, including the amateur and professional fighters 'Is that very few people do not have much knowledge of boxing history, beyond a decade backwards in time. There are most likely people who watch boxing now, and follow the sport? That are unaware that boxers used to fight under the Same Day Weigh In rule'.

I have had people try to claim, that fighters such as Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Rocky Graciano, Jake LaMotta 'And many more past great fighters, were all weight draining themselves to the extent that fighters are today. While training under the Same Day Weight in Rule'.

Note: Sugar Ray Robinson had 201 fights in total. Henry Armstrong had 183 fights, once upon a time? Armstrong fought 27 times in one year.

So when Henry Armstrong fought 27 times in 1 year, he weight drained himself 27 times 'Like certain fighters do today? Past fighters under the same day weigh in rule, did not used weight draining tactics to the extreme's modern fighters have utilized them. That is a 100% fact of boxing history'.

Of course due to boxing having weight classes, fighters are always having to make sacrifices during their training so they can compete 'This is not exclusive to boxing, in other sports? The athletes competing also have to be within a specific weight range in order to compete. Body Building, and multiple categories of Motor Sport such as Formula 1 are just two of those sports sharing this similar element of competition. It is not easy, but that is one of the challenges of competing in such a sport'.

There are Motor Racing Drivers, who have to compete at a certain weight 'And they are weighed in on the same day as their competitions. They do not weight drain themselves like certain boxers in this modern era, but they most likely train in certain way to compete at that weight. Lets get this right? That is not what is happening in the sport of boxing today within this modern era, when it comes to certain fighters and how they prepare for a fight'.

The Same Day Weight In Rule, will act as a very strong deterrent in my opinion. This opinion of mine is influenced by empirical evidence that has been gathered through observing boxing history. 'The Same Day Weigh In Rule will create environmental conditions within the sport of boxing, that will make it extremely difficult for fighters to continue using toxic weight draining practice's to the same extent that we sometimes see in the game today'.

Here is a boxing coach Dominic Ingle touching upon the difference between fighters, when they would train and fight under the same day weigh in rule.

At the 4 minute 50 second mark, Ingle touches on how fighters did not weight drain themselves during past era's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8086FLeXmaI

The reasons why, I have posted that video. Is because certain people within the boxing community in this modern era 'Do not want to acknowledge that the Toxic Weight Draining culture that is evident in today's modern boxing era. Is a completely modern phenomenon'.

For your own benefit, I honestly believe that you need to accept this 'If you are a supporter of the sport. Learn the real factual history of the game'.

It is a well known fact, that Floyd Mayweather Junior 'Did not used weight draining tactics during his career. Mayweather Junior in many area's of his training, used old school training methodologies'.

Other fighters who also had similar training styles, and work ethics from this modern boxing era were 'Bernard Hopkins and Carl Froch'.

Those fighters had solid longevity in their careers, and there seemed to be no sudden and dramatic decreased in their performances 'This was most likely due to a combination of their great work ethics, but also training attitude's and how they prepare for a fight. Not using weight draining tactics to the extreme, over a long duration of time benefited them in many area's of their overall conditioning and well being'.

To conclude: I still see people in this thread, claiming that the Same Day Weigh In Rule 'Will actually make competing in boxing more dangerous for certain fighters. Because they will not have enough time to rehydrate after being weighed in. That is this whole point of the Same Day Weigh In Rule being used, because fighters who attempt to STILL apply modern day toxic weight draining practice's, unfortunately? Those fighters will suffer potentially very serve consequences, because of their own actions and how they personally chose to prepare for a fight'.

Fighters will have to learn, understand, accept real quick 'That the rules and parameters of a boxers preparation, have been altered under the same day in rule. If fighters and boxing coaches who promote such toxic weight draining tactics, do not accept this altercation in the game. They will struggle to compete in the sport'

Guys you need to stop watching, supporting, and following combat sports and boxing in complete denial 'And with a lack of knowledge. Because in my opinion this is very dangerous, if? You are involved in the sport, and hold such misinformed and potentially negligent attitudes'.

In other combat sports, they are already 'Attempting to Tackle the toxic culture of modern day weight draining practices' through the use of various revolutionary weigh in systems.

But the difference is boxing historically; for many decades did not suffer from having a toxic weight draining culture to the serve extent we see today 'It is not a fundamental part of the sports history. Especially during the era's when the Same Day Weigh In Rule was being used, during competition' etc.

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Yeah , I totally get that the extreme weight cutting is a relatively new thing. Guys like Henry Armstrong , Hopkins , Floyd , and a lot of other old fighters stayed in shape and close to or at their fighting weight year round because they either fought so frequently or were smart enough to know that staying in shape and training to some degree year round was better for your boxing and out of the ring life as well. These guys that drop 30 or more pounds in canmp then blow up again in between fights are only hurting themselves in the short and long terms. Some guys were still coming in really drained during the Same Day Weigh In Era though , that's why it got changed to give them more time to rehydrate. It's on the athletes and their teams though. I don't see how they can legally be told how much they can weigh in between fights .