Comments Thread For: Promoter plots the routes back for Frazer Clarke and Ben Whittaker

[PRINCEKOOL]

Wardley tho has that natural Athletism what you either have or you don't so even with his limited background and experience, he had the power, speed, reflexes that Clarke don't have. Plus because he hasn't got the traditional background in boxing and guys like that are hard to workout because they lead with anything. Uppercuts, hooks etc and before you know it he's flattened you with one of them. It's that Roy Jones esq style what is just based on Athletism and timing

I understand what you are saying, Fabio Wardley although? I don't rate him very highly, in terms of the World stage 'Out of the two fighters, you can clearly see that Wardley is the better athlete. In my opinion, he has a greater innate ability to fight. Power, Aggression, Speed, he also seems more fluid and creative with his offensive work'.

But as I have stated in my previous posts in regards to Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardley 'In reality neither of those fighters, have shown that they are better fighters than past British Heavyweight fighters such as Danny Williams and Audley Harrison, and many other fighters from that era'.

Note: I think both Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardley, are in and around skill for skill the level of fighters from that era in British Heavyweight boxing. In fact if they where competing in that boxing era, I think they would struggle to win the Lonsdale British Title. And that is no disrespect, because in terms of the depth of domestic level boxing? That era of Heavyweights fighters were very competitive, there were no fighters really miles ahead in terms of ability, and they could all potentially push each other really close.

Definitively for sure, I would back both Danny Williams and Audley Harrison at their peak or just after to beat Clarke and Wardley by stoppage 'Those two fighters by quite a distance skill for skill, in my opinion were better fighters'.

To conclude: It is great that Fabio Wardley, scored a knock-out against Frazier Clarke II. But the first fight between those two fighters, still showed and displayed more of Fabio Wardley's ability in my opinion. And although the fight was a great fight in terms of the passion and competitiveness, skill for skill the action was vastly overrated. We had two fighters near enough at their peak, losing a fight due to their conditioning. The fight was there for the taking in the latter rounds, but neither fighter at the endurance levels to produce Championship winning rounds or a Championship winning effort.

I have posted all of the evidence and statistics to back this observation of mine up 'Side by side, I made the comparison between Joyce vs Chisora, and Clarke vs Wardley. And the raw facts of the action, showed that Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was a higher level match up, and superior fight skill for skill'.

When Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was announced 'Many of these classic generic UK Domestic boxing fans were complaining that the fight should not happen. They where claiming that both Joyce and Chisora, were going to create some sort of boxing spectacle that was detrimental for the sport'.

Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora fought on July 27th 2024, to the contrary. Their fight was a superior level fight to Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley I 'Both in terms of the competitive passion between the fighters, and skill for skill the action'.

Here are some statistics below of the two fights:

Frazier Clarke threw a total of 476 punches and landed a total of 151 punches. Fabio Wardley threw a total of 459 punches, and landed a total of 157 punches. Over the duration of a 12 round fight.

Joe Joyce threw a total of 835 punches and landed a total of 211 punches. Derek Chisora threw a total of 564 punches, and landed a total of 192 punches. Over the duration of a 10 round fight

Wardley is a domestic level fighter, until he proves otherwise 'Until he steps up and actually beats a top level fighter'.

Right now in my opinion? The last version of David Price that we saw in the boxing ring winning vs Dave Allen 'I would back that version of Price, too smash up Fabio Wardley'.

If Fabio Wardley's and his team, believe in his ability 'Then I think a great fight for him, would be against Joe Joyce. That fight would be a true litmus test, to prove whether he has surpassed domestic level boxing, and is moving towards European and World level' etc.

[Boxing2695]

I understand what you are saying, Fabio Wardley although? I don't rate him very highly, in terms of the World stage 'Out of the two fighters, you can clearly see that Wardley is the better athlete. In my opinion, he has a greater innate ability to fight. Power, Aggression, Speed, he also seems more fluid and creative with his offensive work'.

But as I have stated in my previous posts in regards to Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardley 'In reality neither of those fighters, have shown that they are better fighters than past British Heavyweight fighters such as Danny Williams and Audley Harrison, and many other fighters from that era'.

Note: I think both Frazier Clarke and Fabio Wardley, are in and around skill for skill the level of fighters from that era in British Heavyweight boxing. In fact if they where competing in that boxing era, I think they would struggle to win the Lonsdale British Title. And that is no disrespect, because in terms of the depth of domestic level boxing? That era of Heavyweights fighters were very competitive, there were no fighters really miles ahead in terms of ability, and they could all potentially push each other really close.

Definitively for sure, I would back both Danny Williams and Audley Harrison at their peak or just after to beat Clarke and Wardley by stoppage 'Those two fighters by quite a distance skill for skill, in my opinion were better fighters'.

To conclude: It is great that Fabio Wardley, scored a knock-out against Frazier Clarke II. But the first fight between those two fighters, still showed and displayed more of Fabio Wardley's ability in my opinion. And although the fight was a great fight in terms of the passion and competitiveness, skill for skill the action was vastly overrated. We had two fighters near enough at their peak, losing a fight due to their conditioning. The fight was there for the taking in the latter rounds, but neither fighter at the endurance levels to produce Championship winning rounds or a Championship winning effort.

I have posted all of the evidence and statistics to back this observation of mine up 'Side by side, I made the comparison between Joyce vs Chisora, and Clarke vs Wardley. And the raw facts of the action, showed that Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was a higher level match up, and superior fight skill for skill'.

When Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora was announced 'Many of these classic generic UK Domestic boxing fans were complaining that the fight should not happen. They where claiming that both Joyce and Chisora, were going to create some sort of boxing spectacle that was detrimental for the sport'.

Joe Joyce vs Derek Chisora fought on July 27th 2024, to the contrary. Their fight was a superior level fight to Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley I 'Both in terms of the competitive passion between the fighters, and skill for skill the action'.

Here are some statistics below of the two fights:

Frazier Clarke threw a total of 476 punches and landed a total of 151 punches. Fabio Wardley threw a total of 459 punches, and landed a total of 157 punches. Over the duration of a 12 round fight.

Joe Joyce threw a total of 835 punches and landed a total of 211 punches. Derek Chisora threw a total of 564 punches, and landed a total of 192 punches. Over the duration of a 10 round fight

Wardley is a domestic level fighter, until he proves otherwise 'Until he steps up and actually beats a top level fighter'.

Right now in my opinion? The last version of David Price that we saw in the boxing ring winning vs Dave Allen 'I would back that version of Price, too smash up Fabio Wardley'.

If Fabio Wardley's and his team, believe in his ability 'Then I think a great fight for him, would be against Joe Joyce. That fight would be a true litmus test, to prove whether he has surpassed domestic level boxing, and is moving towards European and World level' etc.

I ain't picking Harrison to beat Wardley. Audely was an Olympic gold medalist but as a pro he just didn't have the style or the punch resistance to last. I think Wardley would of crushed harrison in about 3 rounds. I don't think Wardley is elite he does alot of things wrong because of his limited background, but I say he's past British level because Clarke's about British level imo. Also Chisora and Joyce because of there styles they have a higher input so ofc there gonna throw more punches.. but it doesn't mean they throw more punches there better fighters right now. Styles make fights and wardley even tho technically he makes mistakes he's able to use his Athletism as of right now to get the upper hand in these fights

[PRINCEKOOL]

I ain't picking Harrison to beat Wardley. Audely was an Olympic gold medalist but as a pro he just didn't have the style or the punch resistance to last. I think Wardley would of crushed harrison in about 3 rounds. I don't think Wardley is elite he does alot of things wrong because of his limited background, but I say he's past British level because Clarke's about British level imo. Also Chisora and Joyce because of there styles they have a higher input so ofc there gonna throw more punches.. but it doesn't mean they throw more punches there better fighters right now. Styles make fights and wardley even tho technically he makes mistakes he's able to use his Athletism as of right now to get the upper hand in these fights

Audley Harrison has multiple better wins, on his professional resume than Fabio Wardley 'And those fighters he beat, would of most likely beaten Fraizer Clarke and in my opinion? They would of been backed as favourites up against Wardley. Michael Sprott, Danny Williams, Juluis Francis would be the most winnable fight for Wardley'.

I understand the criticisms for Harrison, but really? Apart from Michael Sprott I, he was only stopped by fighters 'Who stopped everyone near enough, whenever they won at their peak. And those stoppages and knock-outs, came about in the latter stages of Harrison's career'.

Skill for skill, Audley Harrison was miles better than Fabio Wardley 'He would be the biggest power puncher, Wardley has ever fought. Fabio Wardley has beaten nobody who can really hit with solid power as yet in his career'.

You keep mentioning the Athleticism of Wardley 'I get it? He is abit more innately gifted in terms of athleticism than Frazier Clarke. But lets get it right, Fabio Wardley whether it be in the category of athletics or skill for skill boxing? This guy has not shown that he is above Domestic level as a fighter'.

Derek Chisora, Joe Joyce 'I would back the last versions of those fighters, we saw inside the ring to beat Fabio Wardley. On what I have seen of his ability so far'.

Note: There seems to be a culture within certain area's of British Boxing community, where certain folk 'Hold fighters to a low standards, and give them credit for feats and levels they have not achieved. Fabio Wardley is not beyond domestic level, until he beats a proven fighter that has also competed and won above that level. And I just want to point out? That this culture has nothing to do with Anthony Joshua and his generation of fighters, because Joshua is one of the few fighters in my opinion who is held to a extremely high standard'.

Anthony Joshua is a Olympic Champion, Two Time World Heavyweight Champion. And there are still people out there from the UK, who won't admit that he was ever a Elite Level, or currently a World level fighter. Joshua whether he wins, loses or is a contender trying to fight his way back is always throughout his career been held to a extremely high standard by people within the British Boxing and World Community'.

In comparison, it just seems to be that the generation of fighters coming up below Joshua in the Heavyweight Divisions 'Are held to lower standards. Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley I, was a vastly overrated fight in terms of the action produced skill for skill. It is not a all-time great British Heavyweight boxing fight in my opinion. But certain folk within the boxing community and media have been trying to promote it as that type of competitive rivalry, that has definitively been the narrative'.

To conclude: They say that Soccer is a game of opinion, and those opinions can have a big effect on an athlete's career 'People need to understand that Boxing is not a sport of a opinion. It is actually a Data Driven sport, when the going gets tough and push comes to shove'.

I am not sure who the potential future opponent's are for Wardley 'I see that Joe Joyce and Fabio Wardley are both with the same Boxing promoter. Ether this makes the fight easier or more difficult to make, due to each fighters have a specific career plan and path'.

But regardless, like I have just stated in my previous post. If Fabio Wardley's team believe he is beyond domestic level 'Then his next fight, should indicate a distinct increase in level of challenge. I think a fight vs Joe Joyce, is a great fight for both fighters' etc.