Comments Thread For: Former heavyweight LaRon Mitchell likes Anthony Joshua over Daniel Dubois

[Roberto Vasquez]

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Like I said to you Pianeta was 2 months into his come back after 3 years out if you're holding that against you're ret@rded and not even taking into consideration that he fought Wilder right after as if context doesn't matter at all.

I don't care what people say on forums, I care about reality.

Takam wasn't ranked in the top 10 at the time and who cares about people outside of top 10, use the commonly accepted Ring/TBRB or don't bother mentioning it at all.

What arbitrary site are you actually using? most people only bother with The Ring and TBRB which only rank the top 10 beyond that you're plucking it from sites that fit your narrative.

Don't compare a bum like AJ to Lennox Lewis, he actually fought his contemporaries who were considered the real threats in the division not just the cruiserweight.

And no people didn't dislike Lewis because he had losses on the record that's a relatively new phenomenon since Mayweather and his BS.

They disliked him primarily because he played the role of being British or Canadian or Jamaican when it suits him but also spent a lot of time in the U.S so I think it was hard for him to really solidify a faithful fanbase.

He was also considered boring whilst in the same era as the most overhyped heavyweight in history.

Lennox is a top 5 all time heavyweight, no heavyweight from this era belongs in that conversation apart from Wlad but he's truthfully not of this era.

Maybe and it's a BIG maybe Usyk and Fury could end up in said conversation depending on how the rest of their careers pan out.

Usyk might even go down as the GOAT but Joshua certainly doesn't belong in said conversation.

Correction : Piantea was 2 months Fury's come back after 2 years out for a backdated PED ban.

Btw you hurt my feelings again by calling me a re@ard. When will you stop with your very manly and mature insults?

You said : "who cares about people outside of top 10?" Well that would make sense for you - a Fury fan to rank a boxer in top-15 the same as a boxer in the top-70.

you are wrong about Lewis - like I said once he had that KO loss to McCall he was completely out of the mix. That's literally what everyone said at the time ( I was there!). Even without a rematch-clause AJ can have a KO loss and get straight back into top fights because the public still wants to see him. Wilder could have done this too after his loss to Fury.

Lennox Lewis was losing against Vitali and retired when he saw he would lose a rematch. Uysk has already done more than Lewis ever did. He did something NO-ONE has ever done. Plus he has an amazing amateur record (where you can't avoid fighters)

I only use Ring top-10 and the global rating for boxers outside top-10. Like I said Povetkin and Pulev both no, 7 in Ring top-10 at the time. And have proven recoreds - Povetkin knocked out Dillian Whyte after AJ fight. What did Swarz or Wallin or Vianetta do after their fights? In fact what did Wilder do after Fury fight? Parker and Zhang beat Wilder 10 times easier than Fury did.

[Boro]

You keep using bad language which is upsetting me and hurting my feelings

The article I read said Tyson said it "Jokingly". But all jokes have a truth to them.

No top HW could have fought Vienetta, Wallin or Schwarz back then apart from Fury - because his fans accept poor opponents. They went on for ages about how Aj was ducking Wallin too. I saw it on this forum. AJ fought Ngannou because Fury got humiliated by him and he was told he could have a shot at Fury if he won. Takam may have even been in the top-10 when Joshua fought him. But if not he was just outside it. Takam was a good fighter. Breazeale was in the top-20 at least.

Let's not start arguing about who was better - old small heavyweights or the new huge ones. As someone who was around when Lennox Lewis was about - he was kind of talked about the way Joshua is now by his detractors - but even worse! Consistently criticized as being over-cautious even by Steward and he had those 2 flash knockouts by boxers way beneath him. The general boxing public back then would despise anyone without an unbeaten record. It took Lewis ages to get back in the mix after the McCall KO. He fought some real bums if I remember right.

Like I said to you Pianeta was 2 months into his come back after 3 years out if you're holding that against you're ret@rded and not even taking into consideration that he fought Wilder right after as if context doesn't matter at all.

I don't care what people say on forums, I care about reality.

Takam wasn't ranked in the top 10 at the time and who cares about people outside of top 10, use the commonly accepted Ring/TBRB or don't bother mentioning it at all.

What arbitrary site are you actually using? most people only bother with The Ring and TBRB which only rank the top 10 beyond that you're plucking it from sites that fit your narrative.

Don't compare a bum like AJ to Lennox Lewis, he actually fought his contemporaries who were considered the real threats in the division not just the cruiserweight.

And no people didn't dislike Lewis because he had losses on the record that's a relatively new phenomenon since Mayweather and his BS.

They disliked him primarily because he played the role of being British or Canadian or Jamaican when it suits him but also spent a lot of time in the U.S so I think it was hard for him to really solidify a faithful fanbase.

He was also considered boring whilst in the same era as the most overhyped heavyweight in history.

Lennox is a top 5 all time heavyweight, no heavyweight from this era belongs in that conversation apart from Wlad but he's truthfully not of this era.

Maybe and it's a BIG maybe Usyk and Fury could end up in said conversation depending on how the rest of their careers pan out.

Usyk might even go down as the GOAT but Joshua certainly doesn't belong in said conversation.

[Roberto Vasquez]

You called me a rabid fan and yet here you harping about not spending money on AJ, like i've ever done that on Fury!? And AJ hasn't fought many of what the public consider the top guys of this era apart from Usyk Fury is 2/3 of them, ironically AJ is in the exact same boat as Wilder 1/3 of the top guys.

Why would it be "jokingly"? these guys are throwing around money and it's basically sunk the fight for them particularly the scale of it and if Fury loses to Usyk, it's permanently fell to the waste side.

Why wouldn't any HW get away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz? WTF do you think Breazeale. Molina, Takam where stiffs with ratings in the sanctioning bodies.

Like I said you're disingenuous as fúck and let's not act like people like Joe Louis who is far superior to both AJ and Fury didn't have his little "bum of the month" tour.

It's common as hell in boxing, in fact Muhammad Ali is the only heavyweight i can think of who consistently fought top level opposition even straight after his "exile".

You keep using bad language which is upsetting me and hurting my feelings

The article I read said Tyson said it "Jokingly". But all jokes have a truth to them.

No top HW could have fought Vienetta, Wallin or Schwarz back then apart from Fury - because his fans accept poor opponents. They went on for ages about how Aj was ducking Wallin too. I saw it on this forum. AJ fought Ngannou because Fury got humiliated by him and he was told he could have a shot at Fury if he won. Takam may have even been in the top-10 when Joshua fought him. But if not he was just outside it. Takam was a good fighter. Breazeale was in the top-20 at least.

Let's not start arguing about who was better - old small heavyweights or the new huge ones. As someone who was around when Lennox Lewis was about - he was kind of talked about the way Joshua is now by his detractors - but even worse! Consistently criticized as being over-cautious even by Steward and he had those 2 flash knockouts by boxers way beneath him. The general boxing public back then would despise anyone without an unbeaten record. It took Lewis ages to get back in the mix after the McCall KO. He fought some real bums if I remember right.

[Boro]

Rabid fan? I have never given any of of my money to AJ. I like him because he fights people and doesn't duck them. Which is proved by his record. You just blindly supported a guy who was unbeaten but who was scared of taking any actual hard fights.

Fury said (jokingly) after AJ/Dubois fight "That **** has just cos me $150 million". Well you know - you should have taken the fight the other 3 times it was offered to you. Being a p@ssy also loses you money.

No other HW of similar quality to Fury at that time could have got away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz.

You called me a rabid fan and yet here you harping about not spending money on AJ, like i've ever done that on Fury!? And AJ hasn't fought many of what the public consider the top guys of this era apart from Usyk Fury is 2/3 of them, ironically AJ is in the exact same boat as Wilder 1/3 of the top guys.

Why would it be "jokingly"? these guys are throwing around money and it's basically sunk the fight for them particularly the scale of it and if Fury loses to Usyk, it's permanently fell to the waste side.

Why wouldn't any HW get away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz? WTF do you think Breazeale. Molina, Takam where stiffs with ratings in the sanctioning bodies.

Like I said you're disingenuous as fúck and let's not act like people like Joe Louis who is far superior to both AJ and Fury didn't have his little "bum of the month" tour.

It's common as hell in boxing, in fact Muhammad Ali is the only heavyweight i can think of who consistently fought top level opposition even straight after his "exile".

[Roberto Vasquez]

Why would I do anything with Furys record, you imbecile I said he's fought Wlad, Whyte and Wilder since his first belt, you're the one making assertions about his record.

And I'm not even picking apart his record, I'm just proving the asinine nature of using rankings particularly those of non-sanctioning bodies because of such things as Fury being removed after a couple of months of not fighting but Wlad was still ranked after 18 months of not having fought conveniently for AJ.

Povetkin being removed from numerous sanctioning bodies for popping for PEDs but stays in the rankings with "The ring" and "TBRB"

I didn't say they were ranked "top 10" you buffoon, I said they ranked in the sanctioning bodies top 10, Wallin was #10 in the IBF and Schwarz was #2 in the WBO these are indisputable facts.

And the irony is when Breazeale, Takam, Molina etc etc were just ranked in sanctioning bodies people like you accepted them as good wins for AJ but it's completely unacceptable for the same to be true for Fury, that's why people like you are a complete joke to me.

You're morally inconsistent and just cape for man who won't pay you any mind.

You can say both Wilder and Fury ducked AJ but let's be real here Fury has fought everyone he's expected to apart from AJ and Barry and Eddie said they were comfortable never seeing AJ fight Wilder so behave yourself.

The irony in you having the audacity to call anyone a "rabid fan" shouldn't be lost on anyone seeing these posts.

Rabid fan? I have never given any of of my money to AJ. I like him because he fights people and doesn't duck them. Which is proved by his record. You just blindly supported a guy who was unbeaten but who was scared of taking any actual hard fights.

Fury said (jokingly) after AJ/Dubois fight "That **** has just cos me $150 million". Well you know - you should have taken the fight the other 3 times it was offered to you. Being a p@ssy also loses you money.

No other HW of similar quality to Fury at that time could have got away with fighting Wallin and Schwarz.

[Boro]

What you did for AJ's record you should do for Fury's record - then I would give you more credibility. But Apparently Wallin was a top-10 fighter when Fury fought him (Actually 25+) and Schrwaz (I forgot your excuse for him but he was outside the top 40). Were you also the guy who made excuses for Fury's PED use? Sorry if that wasn't you.

There was no one else out there for AJ to fight (until recently) - apart from Wilder and Fury - who both ducked AJ. Fury was offered a fight in Jan 2019 but turned it down because he didn't want to give Aj a higher split than him (even though AJ had 3 belts and Fury had none). Wilder ducked AJ to fight Fury.

In Fury's biography he says "if ever a boxer was made for me it's Derek Chisora". Then he fought him again haha

Like I said elsewhere, it's rabid fans like you who enable Fury. If only Fury had fought the same level of opposition as AJ had in the last 9 years. Aj has even fought Dubois now too and will no doubt fight him again

I guarantee Tyson "I will never fight Anthony Joshua" Fury will agree to fight AJ now, Aj looked so bad in this last fight. But Fury needs to remember how bad he struggled with another big guy in Ngannou in his first ever boxing match.... Styles make fights.

Why would I do anything with Furys record, you imbecile I said he's fought Wlad, Whyte and Wilder since his first belt, you're the one making assertions about his record.

And I'm not even picking apart his record, I'm just proving the asinine nature of using rankings particularly those of non-sanctioning bodies because of such things as Fury being removed after a couple of months of not fighting but Wlad was still ranked after 18 months of not having fought conveniently for AJ.

Povetkin being removed from numerous sanctioning bodies for popping for PEDs but stays in the rankings with "The ring" and "TBRB"

I didn't say they were ranked "top 10" you buffoon, I said they ranked in the sanctioning bodies top 10, Wallin was #10 in the IBF and Schwarz was #2 in the WBO these are indisputable facts.

And the irony is when Breazeale, Takam, Molina etc etc were just ranked in sanctioning bodies people like you accepted them as good wins for AJ but it's completely unacceptable for the same to be true for Fury, that's why people like you are a complete joke to me.

You're morally inconsistent and just cape for man who won't pay you any mind.

You can say both Wilder and Fury ducked AJ but let's be real here Fury has fought everyone he's expected to apart from AJ and Barry and Eddie said they were comfortable never seeing AJ fight Wilder so behave yourself.

The irony in you having the audacity to call anyone a "rabid fan" shouldn't be lost on anyone seeing these posts.

[Roberto Vasquez]

"Fury finally stepped up" you're having a laugh mate, he's stepped up multiple times like I said he was underdog in every major fight he's had and in the 1st Wilder it was in his backyard same with the Wlad fight...

AJ has only been an underdog in rematches after being trounced otherwise he's odd on favorite and even that's a dubious claim because I still think he was favorite despite his trouncing.

"AJ takes a loss and has no excuses", talk about delusion and bias. He literally throw a paddy in the rematch with Usyk and moaned on about not being "15 stone and shít" and he allowed his mouthpiece Eddie make all sorts of excuses for the Ruiz loss which is as good as making them himself.

"We all remember the debacle when Fury offered x" convenient how you forget both Krassyuk and Klimas both admitting they didn't even attempt to negotiate with Fury before or after the Dubois fight, what a coincidence you remember everything Fury allegedly does wrong but nothing anyone else does.

As for AJ fight top ranked opponents who has he faced either in his 8 years since he got a belt?

• Parker who was nullified by the ref.
• Povetkin who shouldn't of even been ranked because he not long before popped for meldonium.
• Wlad who was practically retired so shouldn't of been ranked, Fury was removed from every rating in a few months after the Wlad fight yet for some reason Wlad was still ranked
• The only actual legit top 10 he beat was Pulev so i wouldn't rave about his resume pal especially not by using the nonsensical ratings, Pulev reentered the rings top 10 after beating Rydell Booker FFS...

Fury obviously fought and beat Wilder, Wlad and Whyte, so if they applied rules equally like removing people from rankings as they did Fury, Wlad wouldn't of been ranked, Povetkin wouldn't of because he popped dirty (The ring does have panels to vote on removing fighters who pop) they'd have a similar if not identical resume.

And as for him fighting Pulev and Povetkin you do realize he tried to right? just like he did with Wilder all them years ago and Wilder decided to go the WBC route instead.

Wilder ducked both Fury and Chisora at the time and Ruiz even dropped out of the running to become the mandatory.

Fury was ranked #4 at the time they were trying to establish a mandatory for Wlad and no one would fight Chisora apart from Fury.

Despite the fact both Wilder and Ruiz both are technically more experienced fighters both are Olympians and have equal or more fights under their belts at the time...

What you did for AJ's record you should do for Fury's record - then I would give you more credibility. But Apparently Wallin was a top-10 fighter when Fury fought him (Actually 25+) and Schrwaz (I forgot your excuse for him but he was outside the top 40). Were you also the guy who made excuses for Fury's PED use? Sorry if that wasn't you.

There was no one else out there for AJ to fight (until recently) - apart from Wilder and Fury - who both ducked AJ. Fury was offered a fight in Jan 2019 but turned it down because he didn't want to give Aj a higher split than him (even though AJ had 3 belts and Fury had none). Wilder ducked AJ to fight Fury.

In Fury's biography he says "if ever a boxer was made for me it's Derek Chisora". Then he fought him again haha

Like I said elsewhere, it's rabid fans like you who enable Fury. If only Fury had fought the same level of opposition as AJ had in the last 9 years. Aj has even fought Dubois now too and will no doubt fight him again

I guarantee Tyson "I will never fight Anthony Joshua" Fury will agree to fight AJ now, Aj looked so bad in this last fight. But Fury needs to remember how bad he struggled with another big guy in Ngannou in his first ever boxing match.... Styles make fights.

[Boro]

Who said Joshua was in the top-10 when he fought Martin? He probably would have got the fight by fighting a couple of bums in the sanctioning bodies list.

The reason I don't like Fury is because I used to be a fan. But he betrayed me (he betrayed us!). You just seem to want to bend over while he takes your money and lies about everything. I actually praised him after his Uysk defeat - rather than laughing at him for a loss. He finally stepped up. Losses don't matter if you are taking hard fights. Fury also took PEDs while accusing everyone else of taking them. Why would you be a fan of that?

We might get that Fury Vs AJ fight now though.... Fury won't be scared anymore just like how he took the Usyk fight after Dubois hurt him

We all remember the twitter debacle with Usyk when Fury offered Usyk a laughably low percentage because he thought USyk wouldn't accept. I can't even be bothered to go through it with you....

BTW did you see the Fury interviews before the AJ fight? He seemed pretty messed up. Looked it too. Looked old as well. Still thinks Usyk won 3-4 rounds in their fight. Will be interesting to see if he can get it together before the fight

Watch how AJ takes a loss - no excuses, praises opponent and plans to work on his faults. It was the same with Ruiz. Everyone else wanted to make excuses for AJ after Ruiz loss, he didn't

I said Fury has only won 2 major fights in last 9 years - Whyte and Wilder (the only top-10 opponents has has beaten in that time).

And please remind me when Fury fought Povetkin and Pulev? - Fury fought no great fighters form his own era - other than an old Wlad. Why is that?

"Fury finally stepped up" you're having a laugh mate, he's stepped up multiple times like I said he was underdog in every major fight he's had and in the 1st Wilder it was in his backyard same with the Wlad fight...

AJ has only been an underdog in rematches after being trounced otherwise he's odd on favorite and even that's a dubious claim because I still think he was favorite despite his trouncing.

"AJ takes a loss and has no excuses", talk about delusion and bias. He literally throw a paddy in the rematch with Usyk and moaned on about not being "15 stone and shít" and he allowed his mouthpiece Eddie make all sorts of excuses for the Ruiz loss which is as good as making them himself.

"We all remember the debacle when Fury offered x" convenient how you forget both Krassyuk and Klimas both admitting they didn't even attempt to negotiate with Fury before or after the Dubois fight, what a coincidence you remember everything Fury allegedly does wrong but nothing anyone else does.

As for AJ fight top ranked opponents who has he faced either in his 8 years since he got a belt?

• Parker who was nullified by the ref.
• Povetkin who shouldn't of even been ranked because he not long before popped for meldonium.
• Wlad who was practically retired so shouldn't of been ranked, Fury was removed from every rating in a few months after the Wlad fight yet for some reason Wlad was still ranked
• The only actual legit top 10 he beat was Pulev so i wouldn't rave about his resume pal especially not by using the nonsensical ratings, Pulev reentered the rings top 10 after beating Rydell Booker FFS...

Fury obviously fought and beat Wilder, Wlad and Whyte, so if they applied rules equally like removing people from rankings as they did Fury, Wlad wouldn't of been ranked, Povetkin wouldn't of because he popped dirty (The ring does have panels to vote on removing fighters who pop) they'd have a similar if not identical resume.

And as for him fighting Pulev and Povetkin you do realize he tried to right? just like he did with Wilder all them years ago and Wilder decided to go the WBC route instead.

Wilder ducked both Fury and Chisora at the time and Ruiz even dropped out of the running to become the mandatory.

Fury was ranked #4 at the time they were trying to establish a mandatory for Wlad and no one would fight Chisora apart from Fury.

Despite the fact both Wilder and Ruiz both are technically more experienced fighters both are Olympians and have equal or more fights under their belts at the time...

[Roberto Vasquez]

Which fighter had Joshua beaten to get his ranking in the top 10 to fight Martin? which fighter did Povetkin beat to get his rating same with Pulev I could continue....

It's absolutely laughable you're trying to dismiss sanctioning bodies (the only way fighters can force a shot) but praise AJ for beating people who are rated like Pulev who was on a run of Hughie fury and Rydel Booker? or Povetkin with his run of David Price and Christian Hammer after his ban?

You're just being biased because it's a way to prop up the guy you're deepthroating and dismiss Fury at the same time, it's embarrassing the lengths you'll go to downplay Fury.

Whyte has beat Nobody he was gifted the Parker win because that ret@rd Ian-John Lewis counted a headbutt as a KD and allowed him to hold on the ropes for 3 hours after he was badly hurt in the 12th.

Fury has only had 2 major fights in 9 years? WTF are you talking about everything single Wilder fight was "major", Wlad, Whyte, Usyk, Chisora and even that embarrassment of allowing Ngannou to compete in boxing full stop was "major", so behave yourself.

Fury hasn't ran from anyone he faced Usyk, Wlad and Wilder and will likely face AJ.

And it's hilarious how you're claiming he ran from Usyk but neglect to mention how Usyk signed with Matchroom with the sole intent of fighting AJ.

And as a undisputed/WBO champion had the privilege of immediately challenging him just like Crawford did with Horn or Inoue and Fulton but AJ avoided him for as long as possible but that wouldn't fit your narrative would it.

Who said Joshua was in the top-10 when he fought Martin? He probably would have got the fight by fighting a couple of bums in the sanctioning bodies list.

The reason I don't like Fury is because I used to be a fan. But he betrayed me (he betrayed us!). You just seem to want to bend over while he takes your money and lies about everything. I actually praised him after his Uysk defeat - rather than laughing at him for a loss. He finally stepped up. Losses don't matter if you are taking hard fights. Fury also took PEDs while accusing everyone else of taking them. Why would you be a fan of that?

We might get that Fury Vs AJ fight now though.... Fury won't be scared anymore just like how he took the Usyk fight after Dubois hurt him

We all remember the twitter debacle with Usyk when Fury offered Usyk a laughably low percentage because he thought USyk wouldn't accept. I can't even be bothered to go through it with you....

BTW did you see the Fury interviews before the AJ fight? He seemed pretty messed up. Looked it too. Looked old as well. Still thinks Usyk won 3-4 rounds in their fight. Will be interesting to see if he can get it together before the fight

Watch how AJ takes a loss - no excuses, praises opponent and plans to work on his faults. It was the same with Ruiz. Everyone else wanted to make excuses for AJ after Ruiz loss, he didn't

I said Fury has only won 2 major fights in last 9 years - Whyte and Wilder (the only top-10 opponents has has beaten in that time).

And please remind me when Fury fought Povetkin and Pulev? - Fury fought no great fighters form his own era - other than an old Wlad. Why is that?

[Boro]

I never said Hrgovic wasn't a good win for Daniel. I like Dubois. My whole point is that AJ consistently fights better fighters than anyone else.

Why are you talking about organization rankings? - basically anyone can be in the top-10 by that measure.. Once you start talking about dumb stuff like that - it's pointless. Which fighters had Wallin beaten to make him top-10 in the world at that time? Please answer this question. I need a good laugh.

Why do you think Fury chose Wallin? lol. He didn't choose a no-name guy because he thought it would be a hard fight. If you want a hard-fight - you chose someone good! - otherwise you look bad

Whyte was ranked in top-5 in Ring ranking for ages. He actually beat some people.... including Parker. And was only the 2nd person ever to stop Povetkin (after losing to him first time round)

Fury has only had 2 major fights in the last 9 years. Was he an underdog in them? I don't think he was in teh Uysk fight. People saw it as 50/50. But what relevance is being an underdog? We know Fury ducked Joshua 3 times. He should have manned up. Only Saudi money is making it possible now. Don't forget Fury ran from Uysk too - until Dubois put Uysk down and made Usyk look beatable

Which fighter had Joshua beaten to get his ranking in the top 10 to fight Martin? which fighter did Povetkin beat to get his rating same with Pulev I could continue....

It's absolutely laughable you're trying to dismiss sanctioning bodies (the only way fighters can force a shot) but praise AJ for beating people who are rated like Pulev who was on a run of Hughie fury and Rydel Booker? or Povetkin with his run of David Price and Christian Hammer after his ban?

You're just being biased because it's a way to prop up the guy you're deepthroating and dismiss Fury at the same time, it's embarrassing the lengths you'll go to downplay Fury.

Whyte has beat Nobody he was gifted the Parker win because that ret@rd Ian-John Lewis counted a headbutt as a KD and allowed him to hold on the ropes for 3 hours after he was badly hurt in the 12th.

Fury has only had 2 major fights in 9 years? WTF are you talking about everything single Wilder fight was "major", Wlad, Whyte, Usyk, Chisora and even that embarrassment of allowing Ngannou to compete in boxing full stop was "major", so behave yourself.

Fury hasn't ran from anyone he faced Usyk, Wlad and Wilder and will likely face AJ.

And it's hilarious how you're claiming he ran from Usyk but neglect to mention how Usyk signed with Matchroom with the sole intent of fighting AJ.

And as a undisputed/WBO champion had the privilege of immediately challenging him just like Crawford did with Horn or Inoue and Fulton but AJ avoided him for as long as possible but that wouldn't fit your narrative would it.