The Difference Between What we’re Told and What We See

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By Jake Donovan - Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

It’s a simple enough lesson in life, taught at an early age if you were fortunate enough to have been raised right when you were a shorty. People can say whatever they want, but seeing is believing – and even in seeing, further evaluation is still required.

This past Monday brought us Columbus Day, something to which most of us have to be reminded since it’s no longer a major holiday. Most people still work. Many kids go to school. [details]

[zalez787]

What is Jake Donovan's record as a boxer? anybody knows.

[HeartAttack]

What is Jake Donovan's record as a boxer? anybody knows.

It doesn't take a career inside the ring to know boxing. I know Jake and I can vouch for his credibility as a writer and a man who get's his info from the source. Though I do disagree with this piece enough to publically state so. Jake your on point in regards to us being fed crap and too many people buying into it hook line and sinker. I however have to respectfully disagree with the message your sending out. It might not be the point your trying to make, but while your saying that we shouldn't buy into undefeated records; your also saying that fighters are only as good as their last performance and a singular bad performance or loss proves that they're not the goods. Thus endorsing the idea of not going out on a limb should the fight be too tough so the writers and fans won't respect me unless I have an unblemished record. Maybe as a man who is constantly trying to improve inside the ring I have a certain level of naivety in regards to many young fighters can still improve. We both know Berto's deficiencies as a fighter and same with Juanma, Linares, Arreola and so on and so forth. For several of those guys (Arreola included but on a different level) experience is the true gaping hole in their career buildup, and a tough fight or a tough loss can make them a much better fighter than an easy win. As for Arreola, maybe he will take his career seriously now and not train for 12 weeks of the year while binging the other 40 weeks and end up looking like a pregnant woman heading into camp. Tough fights teach you so much more about yourself and how to fight than easy ones, whether you win or lose. It's not really that all these guys aren't the goods, and a majority of those who are hyped as such really aren't. it's the tough guys who they're tossed in with that end up being the goods. But if we continue to discourage this we won't discover the diamonds in the rough and we wade through the bull**** Top Rank, GBP, Main Event, Sauerland, and Universum keep selling us. (Notice I didn't mention King because the only guy who fights regularly is Joseph Agbeko and he seems to be the goods). We need more fights like Lopez/Mtagwa so the guys like Lopez can find out if they have the nuts to do this sport and if they do they'll make more than a name for themselves, it also gives the Mtagwa's, Agustus', and Ward's of the world a chance to shine. PLus I'm going to chalk the previous fight up to something on the level of a average fan, just a fucking great action fight and hope that Lopez matures from there and gets it on with Caballero instead of Luevano. We need better matchmaking early on to help promoters make better decisions on who the real deals are and of course more exposure at earlier stages of these fighters' careers so we know who they are. It that too much to ask, no; will is happen, I bet they'll be a colony on Mars before the things in boxing go back to the way they were.

[MANGLER]

Boxing ain't perfect. But it's the only ****in thing I watch on TV nowadays. Nobody likes all the different belts, guys dodgin tough fights, $/promotional/political issues holdin up fights. But there still ain't nothin like a good fight.

[BOX-A-LOT]

Re the article,

It's a learning process for these young studs. They're definitely not as polished as when ODLH and or Floyd when they were coming up, but talented nonetheless.

I'm liking the fact that these young guns are getting their chins tested. Atleast it will weed out the contenders from the pretenders.

All I gotta say to the Ortiz's, Linares's and Lopez's of the world is welcome to the world of prize-fighting.

Khan has already come out of his rut. This the problem, fans all too often turn their backs on these prospects too fast. Give them a chance.

[Akyra]

It doesn't take a career inside the ring to know boxing. I know Jake and I can vouch for his credibility as a writer and a man who get's his info from the source. Though I do disagree with this piece enough to publically state so. Jake your on point in regards to us being fed crap and too many people buying into it hook line and sinker. I however have to respectfully disagree with the message your sending out. It might not be the point your trying to make, but while your saying that we shouldn't buy into undefeated records; your also saying that fighters are only as good as their last performance and a singular bad performance or loss proves that they're not the goods. Thus endorsing the idea of not going out on a limb should the fight be too tough so the writers and fans won't respect me unless I have an unblemished record. Maybe as a man who is constantly trying to improve inside the ring I have a certain level of naivety in regards to many young fighters can still improve. We both know Berto's deficiencies as a fighter and same with Juanma, Linares, Arreola and so on and so forth. For several of those guys (Arreola included but on a different level) experience is the true gaping hole in their career buildup, and a tough fight or a tough loss can make them a much better fighter than an easy win. As for Arreola, maybe he will take his career seriously now and not train for 12 weeks of the year while binging the other 40 weeks and end up looking like a pregnant woman heading into camp. Tough fights teach you so much more about yourself and how to fight than easy ones, whether you win or lose. It's not really that all these guys aren't the goods, and a majority of those who are hyped as such really aren't. it's the tough guys who they're tossed in with that end up being the goods. But if we continue to discourage this we won't discover the diamonds in the rough and we wade through the bull**** Top Rank, GBP, Main Event, Sauerland, and Universum keep selling us. (Notice I didn't mention King because the only guy who fights regularly is Joseph Agbeko and he seems to be the goods). We need more fights like Lopez/Mtagwa so the guys like Lopez can find out if they have the nuts to do this sport and if they do they'll make more than a name for themselves, it also gives the Mtagwa's, Agustus', and Ward's of the world a chance to shine. PLus I'm going to chalk the previous fight up to something on the level of a average fan, just a fucking great action fight and hope that Lopez matures from there and gets it on with Caballero instead of Luevano. We need better matchmaking early on to help promoters make better decisions on who the real deals are and of course more exposure at earlier stages of these fighters' careers so we know who they are. It that too much to ask, no; will is happen, I bet they'll be a colony on Mars before the things in boxing go back to the way they were.

[vercingetorix3]

Roflcopter.

Anyways, the title pretty much describes De La Hoya. I know he's just promoting the fight, but come on....

("Marquez/Hatton has the style to beat Mayweather!" or "I feel young again in Big Bear right despite being weight-drained!")

What I see is that Floyd destroys smaller men in Hatton and Marquez and that Pacquiao demolishes a faded De La Hoya.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

It doesn't take a career inside the ring to know boxing. I know Jake and I can vouch for his credibility as a writer and a man who get's his info from the source. Though I do disagree with this piece enough to publically state so. Jake your on point in regards to us being fed crap and too many people buying into it hook line and sinker. I however have to respectfully disagree with the message your sending out. It might not be the point your trying to make, but while your saying that we shouldn't buy into undefeated records; your also saying that fighters are only as good as their last performance and a singular bad performance or loss proves that they're not the goods. Thus endorsing the idea of not going out on a limb should the fight be too tough so the writers and fans won't respect me unless I have an unblemished record. Maybe as a man who is constantly trying to improve inside the ring I have a certain level of naivety in regards to many young fighters can still improve. We both know Berto's deficiencies as a fighter and same with Juanma, Linares, Arreola and so on and so forth. For several of those guys (Arreola included but on a different level) experience is the true gaping hole in their career buildup, and a tough fight or a tough loss can make them a much better fighter than an easy win. As for Arreola, maybe he will take his career seriously now and not train for 12 weeks of the year while binging the other 40 weeks and end up looking like a pregnant woman heading into camp. Tough fights teach you so much more about yourself and how to fight than easy ones, whether you win or lose. It's not really that all these guys aren't the goods, and a majority of those who are hyped as such really aren't. it's the tough guys who they're tossed in with that end up being the goods. But if we continue to discourage this we won't discover the diamonds in the rough and we wade through the bull**** Top Rank, GBP, Main Event, Sauerland, and Universum keep selling us. (Notice I didn't mention King because the only guy who fights regularly is Joseph Agbeko and he seems to be the goods). We need more fights like Lopez/Mtagwa so the guys like Lopez can find out if they have the nuts to do this sport and if they do they'll make more than a name for themselves, it also gives the Mtagwa's, Agustus', and Ward's of the world a chance to shine. PLus I'm going to chalk the previous fight up to something on the level of a average fan, just a fucking great action fight and hope that Lopez matures from there and gets it on with Caballero instead of Luevano. We need better matchmaking early on to help promoters make better decisions on who the real deals are and of course more exposure at earlier stages of these fighters' careers so we know who they are. It that too much to ask, no; will is happen, I bet they'll be a colony on Mars before the things in boxing go back to the way they were.

Great Post!!!

[JakeNDaBox]

What is Jake Donovan's record as a boxer? anybody knows.

Never fought pro. 11-4, 4 RSC in my brief amateur career.

[cool-jupiter]

Never fought pro. 11-4, 4 RSC in my brief amateur career.

Good article and nice reply. Fighting as a pro boxer proves that one is/was a pro boxer. Nothing more or nothing less. Being/Having been a fighter and being a reliable journalist are two different things.

Good post. I'd like to be given permission to translate this article into JP, as before.