Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Tank-Lomachenko talks breaking down, Mexico vs. Puerto Rico and Canelo-Berlanga

[boxing IQ]

I think P4P lists hold on to established legacies too long and they don’t acknowledge young ascending fighters fast enough. I am relatively sure Benavidez is slightly over Canelo at this point.

Benavidez is not p4p, Bread. Credible boxing outlets like ESPN & The Ring would agree with me.

I could care less about Benavidez not scoring a knockdown vs the Nail, he won! Canelo didn’t stop the Nail at 175.

No, but if we're playing that game, Canelo stopped Plant, who fought a very smart fight until he got caught clean. With Benavidez, he gassed halfway through, went into survival mode, and was able to exploit Benavidez's inability to finish. You'd be hard pressed to find an opponent who gassed out with Canelo and made it to the final bell.

Currently right now, I believe Benavidez would beat Canelo if they fought. I believe that Canelo has slipped slightly and Benavidez is in his prime.

I don't say this often, but Bread is wrong. Canelo would be UP for this fight. Reynoso found the blueprint to take the fight to Golovkin, the one they laughed at Roach for when Fury fought Wilder. Benavidez is neither. Benavidez is not knocking out Canelo and is too fundamentally flawed to outbox him. While making Benavidez fight off the back foot, Canelo would rip his body, especially when Benavidez shells up both on and off the ropes. Benavidez, who fights tall, would have to employ a Kovalev-type jab (he doesn't have) to touch Canelo, whose high guard catches and upper body movement slips most of Benavidez's squared up arm punches. Benavidez lunging in leaves himself open to Canelo's timing and thus, counters, while Canelo's footwork lets him take rounds off escaping Benavidez who is usually off balance, especially at times his stance is too wide. Down the stretch, Benavidez walks into the punch Reynoso specifically has Canelo work on for 8 weeks. Most likely, a more powerful version of the hook Gavril KD'd him with.

[JimmyD729]

boxing fans are morons lol.

big facts

[Slip jab]

With the work that has been put in, Canelo is rated above Benavides regardless of what this stubborn javk@$$ thinks. David has rode Canelos coattails long enough to be a household name. If not for this nobody would give a damn who he fights, he’s really nobody outside of sweet@$$ plants

[The D3vil]

I don't know who wins between Canelo and Benavides, it's an excellent match up, and a 50/50. I do believe Canelo has slipped a bit lately, that said, you know Bread is biased for the simple fact that regardless of who you think might win, the fact of the matter is that it hasn't happened and last time I checked, Canelo has accomplished way more than Benavides and still is the best SMW until someone beats him so for that simple fact should be ranked higher. Do I think Canelo is ducking David? Absolutely! But that doesn't mean you can say with certainty that David would win. Regardless of the politics, you can't say who's best until they fight.


Another reason you know Bread is biased, he doesn't use the same logic when it comes to Crawford ducking Boots, does it mean that Boots should be ranked higher than Crawford? Or the fact that Tank hasn't fought Stevenson or Zepeda, or hasn't given Cruz a rematch. Does that mean those fighters should be ranked higher than Tank? Or let me switch it up, Stevenson is not eager to fight Tank or Zepeda, does that mean those fighters are better? The answer is we just don't know until they fight. P4P best should be judged on what have you accomplished, not because you show a few flashy moves against inferior competition. I can make the argument that guy's life Canelo, Usyk, Inoue, even a guy like Bam should be ranked higher than Crawford, Tank, Stevenson, Why? You ask, for the simple fact they have accomplished more and have fought better competition. People bring up Crawford undisputed run at 140, and should be respected, but do did he exactly beat? Those were paper titles, 3 of those guys he beat to become undisputed lost by K.O right after and eventually retired or were not relevant, as a matter of fact, tell me the last time the considered #1 P4P had such a lousy resume with really only one signature win? And that win didn't come until that guy had an accident and coming off eye surgery, not to mention he had outgrown the weight.

So yes Bread is very biased....

Bread specifically said that he doesn't honor past accomplishments in his P4P list. He always says that. That's his right.

P4P lists are not uniform, as there's no 1 way to judge who's best P4P.

Some people honor past accomplishments, some people honor who's best right now, some say heavyweights shouldn't be on P4P lists. Some people just use the eye test.

AS far as I see, Bread's standard is the 10 best fighters he sees right now, and I got no problem believing that a Canelo in decline isn't one of the 10 best fighters currently.

I personally, do honor past achievements, but I don't get mad at people who don't.

Also, you can't compare Crawford & Canelo, for the last time.

Canelo's the cash cow of boxing & has been able to fight who ever the hell he's wanted to since he was 23 years old.

Crawford was ducked & avoided & got his first big payday at the age of 36. I don't blame Crawford for using his last 2 years in boxing trying to get at least one more payday, as he was cheated out of a bunch of them the last decade.

Canelo's just a diva who doesn't want to get exposed again like he did with his "cherrypick gone wrong" against Bivol.

[M111]

stop with that excuse please

hes fine with kambo, not with tank & now hes back again in a few months time available to fight and the tank fight is off

when a fighter ducks its amazing the excuses some fans latch on to for some odd reasons, its always the same no matter who the fighter is, they always appear

Guessing you’re from the US where less than 10% hold a passport or have the vaguest notion of world politics. If you know who wins the election aid to Ukraine stops and Russia steamroll in. Things have changed recently and may change massively very shortly. So your home country being bombed isn’t a valid ‘excuse’ in your opinion to delay fighting. Unreal.

[factsarenice]

Guessing you’re from the US where less than 10% hold a passport or have the vaguest notion of world politics. If you know who wins the election aid to Ukraine stops and Russia steamroll in. Things have changed recently and may change massively very shortly. So your home country being bombed isn’t a valid ‘excuse’ in your opinion to delay fighting. Unreal.

I love the sport, but Honestly, I'm more than just embarrassed that people in America are this ignorant and self absorbed and worst of all it's a willful ignorance and that makes it especially dangerous. People talk Christianity but if were Christian in the heart...they'd know America is being driven off a cliff by greed and aided by ignorance.

[Greenfield02]

[QUOTE=The D3vil;n32325669]

Bread specifically said that he doesn't honor past accomplishments in his P4P list. He always says that. That's his right.

P4P lists are not uniform, as there's no 1 way to judge who's best P4P.

Some people honor past accomplishments, some people honor who's best right now, some say heavyweights shouldn't be on P4P lists. Some people just use the eye test.

AS far as I see, Bread's standard is the 10 best fighters he sees right now, and I got no problem believing that a Canelo in decline isn't one of the 10 best fighters currently.

I personally, do honor past achievements, but I don't get mad at people who don't.

Also, you can't compare Crawford & Canelo, for the last time.

Canelo's the cash cow of boxing & has been able to fight who ever the hell he's wanted to since he was 23 years old.

Crawford was ducked & avoided & got his first big payday at the age of 36. I don't blame Crawford for using his last 2 years in boxing trying to get at least one more payday, as he was cheated out of a bunch of them the last decade.

Canelo's just a diva who doesn't want to get exposed again like he did with his "cherrypick gone wrong" against Bivol.[/

Crawford was never ducked, that's the biggest lie a misconception Crawford fans claim. Crawford constantly priced himself out and Bobby was never eager to match him tough. That's what top rank does, protect their fighters and maybe that wasn't Crawford fault but the amount of money he asked for was all him and bomac. And I tend to believe now that Crawford is no longer with top rank, that it's Crawford and Bomac not wanting to take on serious challenges because he continues to go down the same road of ducking fights, because if he truly thought he was the best he would of fought Ennis but he continues this career of chasing paper championships and secondary titles...