Is Roach Writing Checks That Manny's Ass Can't Cash?

[S A M U R A I]

Believe it or not, there was a Floyd fight I remember seeing, where Manny Steward said Floyd could not beat Sharmba!!!!!!

Baldomir was the Champion after beating Zab, and had every belt except the IBF belt, for which he refused to pay sanctioning fees. Even Brian Kenny told Floyd he would have to defeat Baldomir to be the true WW Champ at the time.

PBF-DLH? Are you kidding? Floyd was actually calling for DLH long before the fight actually took place. What if the fight took place when Mayweather first started talking about it? Would you have wanted to see it then? I bet you would.

PBF-JMM? Here we go again. I love hearing this. The guy that everybody viewed as number 2 p4p in the world. The guy that won more rounds against Pac than he lost. The guy that almost half the people on youtube that I listened to, actually thought Mayweather was going to lose against. Not just wannabes but sports writers, journalists.. etc. After 21 months!!! Your arguments don't hold water, bud.

My god, you are so deluded. Unreal.



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[MoneyMay1]

You talking about before the loss to Baldomir, Judah and Floyd was in high demand. But, after a loss to Baldomir who is a bum. Nobody wanted to see it. Just Floyd and Zab fans. Who pretty much are the same people.

ANYBODY WHO IS REMOTELY FAMILIAR WITH ZAB had questions about Zab being overrated and a frontrunner. After the Baldomir fight. Those questions were confirmed and everybody knew he could not beat Zab.

ANYBODY WHO IS REMOTELY FAMILIAR WITH ZAB can throw any excuses to why he lossed to a bum. Cuz IF YOU ARE REMOTELY FAMILIAR WITH ZAB you would know when Zab what at his best. Top form struggled agaisnt Mickey Ward. So don't come at me with no excuses.

ANYBODY WHO IS REMOTELY FAMILIAR WITH ZAB knows that Zab is very overrated and a frontrunner. He is competetive for 4-5rds and then is he geaten beaten up.

Nobody wanted to see that fight. That is why Floyd got so much shi!t for fighting Zab. Cuz nobody wanted to see it. Just Floyd and Zab fans. Who pretty much are the same people.

I don't think you want to get into "remotely familar with Zab" arguments. HAHA

I acknowledged that "some of the luster" was taken off this fight after the loss to Baldomir, but not much, and this is why.. First, Zab lost to Tszyu and was still considered world class. Some people even wanted a rematch which was made impossible due to Zab's ****** post-fight antics. Zab lost to Spinks and what happened in the rematch? Everybody questioned Zab's discipline, but to my knowledge NOBODY EVER questioned his ability to fight like hell. OVERRATED? Are you kidding me? Ever since Zab's pro debut, people were impressed with his hand/foot speed, solid power, defense, etc. and thought he had great potential.

Top form against Mickey Ward? I don't think so. It seemed to me like his strategy in that fight was just to outbox the old Mickey Ward without even throwing REAL hard punched with mustard on them. I think he was in top form against Cotto and Clottey. He was jabbing and throwing solid wicked uppercuts. In the Clottey fight, Clottey decided he better just block for the first few rounds and not throw anything back! Zab was going to the body with both hands and doing everything he could to KO granite chinned Clottey. Admittedly, Zab was the lesser fighter to Cotto, and Clottey. Nobody ever claimed Zab to be Ray Leonard. Just a dangerous and solid guy, that when prepared is a real force to be reckoned with.

Beaten up after 4th or 5th rounds? Is that what happened with Junior Witter?! Zab never had a history of that until his first loss to Spinks. Earlier in his career (to which you seem to like to elude bringing up Ward etc.) he didn't have a history of losing at anytime!

[jrosales13]

Believe it or not, there was a Floyd fight I remember seeing, where Manny Steward said Floyd could not beat Sharmba!!!!!!

Even if he did say that I am pretty sure he wasn't talking about that shot version of Sharmba. No bro there was 25 better WW out there around this time.

Baldomir was the Champion after beating Zab, and had every belt except the IBF belt, for which he refused to pay sanctioning fees. Even Brian Kenny told Floyd he would have to defeat Baldomir to be the true WW Champ at the time.

Dude that is not true don't make up stuff. He did not have the WBO belt. Margarito had it. He didn't have the WBA belt Collazo had it. However, you right Baldomir was the real champ. Anyways what Kenny said. He said Mayweather should be fighting Baldomir instead of Zab. Which was absolutely correct. And, at the time Floyd fought Baldomire everybody wanted to see Floyd fight Margarito instead.[/QUOTE]

PBF-DLH? Are you kidding? Floyd was actually calling for DLH long before the fight actually took place. What if the fight took place when Mayweather first started talking about it? Would you have wanted to see it then? I bet you would.

Anybody who really follows boxing knows that version of Oscar that Floyd fought was old. Way passed his prime. Passed his best and that he could not beat Floyd. Oscar was not even a real fighter anymore. He was more of a promoter than a fighter. Bro if you trully a fan you should know that.

PBF-JMM? The guy that everybody viewed as number 2 p4p in the world.

Is P4P a weightclass? Was JMM the #2 at WW?

The guy that won more rounds against Pac than he lost.

What weightclass did those fights take place at? Did JMM fight Pac at WW?

I love when people who have not watch boxig long enough. Claim Floyd win against JMM is a good win cuz JMM was #2 P4P, Cuz JMM won more rounds than Pac in 2 fights at 126 and 130. I love when Floyd fans try to justify that with those stupied comments. Cuz it makes it easy for me to win this debate When I say that there is 20 WW who would destroy JMM at 147.

[jrosales13]

I don't think you want to get into "remotely familar with Zab" arguments. HAHA

I think you are wrong my friend. I could get familiar with Zab argument. Especially with you cuz apparently you don't know much.

OVERRATED? Are you kidding me? Ever since Zab's pro debut, people were impressed with his hand/foot speed, solid power, defense, etc. and thought he had great potential.

Well right here you just made my point. Everybody thought he was going to be something special. They even said he is Whitaker with power. If that is not overrated I don't know what is. Kosty showed how overrated he was. A remtach for what. He got KO'd in 2rds. By, the best JWW in the last 15yrs. A shot version of Chavez did a better job than what a overrated frontrunned Zab Judah did.

Top form against Mickey Ward? I don't think so. It seemed to me like his strategy in that fight was just to outbox the old Mickey Ward without even throwing REAL hard punched with mustard on them. I think he was in top form against Cotto and Clottey. He was jabbing and throwing solid wicked uppercuts. In the Clottey fight, Clottey decided he better just block for the first few rounds and not throw anything back! Zab was going to the body with both hands and doing everything he could to KO granite chinned Clottey. Admittedly, Zab was the lesser fighter to Cotto, and Clottey.

Please get familiar with Zab. He never belonged at WW. His best weith and when he was in top form is at 140. Why do you think he is back at 140. Cuz he is not good enough to hang with WWs. He was at his best at 140 and struggled again Ward. And, watch that fight again he did throw real hard punches with mustard on them. Ward is just a tough MOFO. Maybe you should get familiar with Ward too.

Nobody ever claimed Zab to be Ray Leonard. Just a dangerous and solid guy, that when prepared is a real force to be reckoned with.

They claimed he was Whitaker but with power. He was overrated bro. The only fight big fight that I saw Zab in and thought Zab has a great chance to win this. Was agaisnt Cory Spinks. The only one. After that every big fight I saw Zab in I gave no chance cuz he is an overrated frontrunner and he has proven me right every time.

Beaten up after 4th or 5th rounds? Is that what happened with Junior Witter?! Zab never had a history of that until his first loss to Spinks. Earlier in his career (to which you seem to like to elude bringing up Ward etc.) he didn't have a history of losing at anytime!

That was cuz Witter for some reason was scared. If he knew then what we know now. It probably would of been different. Ward, Millet, Baldomir this were fighters who gave Zab fits in the latter rounds.

[big_james10]

With roach calling out fighters like Cotto, Mosley, Floyd, etc. is he writing checks lil Manny can't cash? VOTE!!

Yes. He is trying to Cotto disqualified before the check bounces.

[MoneyMay1]

I think you are wrong my friend. I could get familiar with Zab argument. Especially with you cuz apparently you don't know much.



Well right here you just made my point. Everybody thought he was going to be something special. They even said he is Whitaker with power. If that is not overrated I don't know what is. Kosty showed how overrated he was. A remtach for what. He got KO'd in 2rds. By, the best JWW in the last 15yrs. A shot version of Chavez did a better job than what a overrated frontrunned Zab Judah did.



Please get familiar with Zab. He never belonged at WW. His best weith and when he was in top form is at 140. Why do you think he is back at 140. Cuz he is not good enough to hang with WWs. He was at his best at 140 and struggled again Ward. And, watch that fight again he did throw real hard punches with mustard on them. Ward is just a tough MOFO. Maybe you should get familiar with Ward too.



They claimed he was Whitaker but with power. He was overrated bro. The only fight big fight that I saw Zab in and thought Zab has a great chance to win this. Was agaisnt Cory Spinks. The only one. After that every big fight I saw Zab in I gave no chance cuz he is an overrated frontrunner and he has proven me right every time.



That was cuz Witter for some reason was scared. If he knew then what we know now. It probably would of been different. Ward, Millet, Baldomir this were fighters who gave Zab fits in the latter rounds.

LoL@ you not giving Zab credit for fighting good WW's, and peforming well despite your mentioned "fits." Zab didn't belong at WW? He was the undisputed WW Champion of the world. Just like Max Kellerman (now one of Zab's biggest critics) said "You can't get to be that with smoke and mirrors alone."

Surely you don't think that somebody could box Clottey as well as Zab did for even 8 rounds or whatever that lasted and not think he can compete at WW. Surely you don't think that somebody who had Cotto in serious trouble on more than one occasion and was the victim of foul play at moments where he seemed to be vulnerable. Even Freddie Roach admitted these things. C'mon man. I need to learn about Zab? Give me a break, I've seen almost every one of his fights supporting him through all his ups and downs.

If Witter knew then what we know now? What kind of argument is this? I'm not interested in engaging in hypotheticals.

[MoneyMay1]

Anyway, enough of making rosales etc. look bad. Thanks for voting, guys. You really showed me what I wanted to see in the poll results.

[R.Winky Wright]

truth be told Zab Judah lacks focus in fights and them beats himself. and is huge a front runner.

Manny till he fights some legit comp will look like the second coming of Ali... if he ever fights Floyd he'll be in a world of trouble.

Every is over looking Cotto and thinks he's a shot broken fighter but he is the only one fighting legit competition. the stakes get high he comes out on top.

PBF looks for money fights and is disregarded because he fights bums as well as good comp... he is the one everyone is chasing. everyone wants to give him his first loss. it won't happen Pac not experienced, shane can't fight boxers, marg **** that cheater and if they do fight his ass has civilian speed on those punches with 0 accuracy when facing someone with decent defense.

floyd will shine threw not because he is the superior fighter of the decade but because he came around at the right time... and is pretty good with no major flaws.

[MoneyMay1]

truth be told Zab Judah lacks focus in fights and them beats himself. and is huge a front runner.

Manny till he fights some legit comp will look like the second coming of Ali... if he ever fights Floyd he'll be in a world of trouble.

Every is over looking Cotto and thinks he's a shot broken fighter but he is the only one fighting legit competition. the stakes get high he comes out on top.

PBF looks for money fights and is disregarded because he fights bums as well as good comp... he is the one everyone is chasing. everyone wants to give him his first loss. it won't happen Pac not experienced, shane can't fight boxers, marg **** that cheater and if they do fight his ass has civilian speed on those punches with 0 accuracy when facing someone with decent defense.

floyd will shine threw not because he is the superior fighter of the decade but because he came around at the right time... and is pretty good with no major flaws.

Very nice analysis bro. Good reply.

[jrosales13]

LoL@ you not giving Zab credit for fighting good WW's, and peforming well despite your mentioned "fits." Zab didn't belong at WW? He was the undisputed WW Champion of the world. Just like Max Kellerman (now one of Zab's biggest critics) said "You can't get to be that with smoke and mirrors alone."

Surely you don't think that somebody could box Clottey as well as Zab did for even 8 rounds or whatever that lasted and not think he can compete at WW. Surely you don't think that somebody who had Cotto in serious trouble on more than one occasion and was the victim of foul play at moments where he seemed to be vulnerable. Even Freddie Roach admitted these things. C'mon man. I need to learn about Zab? Give me a break, I've seen almost every one of his fights supporting him through all his ups and downs.

Why is Zab at 140? If Zab can compete at 147 why is he still not there? There is where all the money is at, the big names are at, why move down? Cuz he does not belong at 147. He is nothing more than a good loser at 147. He fights the best and looks good in losing (Spinks, Cotto, Floyd, Clottey). But, still losses. He losses to bums ( Baldomir). At WW he is going the distance with the likes of Edwin Vazquez, Ryan Davis, and Ernest Johnson. Davis had him hurt damn near stopped him, Johnson was competetive. I mean this are bums bro. If Zab was forreal, Not overrated he would take care of this guys with ease. What do you think Pac would do against this Competition. Zab won good win at 147 agaisnt Spinks, has a solid win against Rivera. But, then his WW resume is ****.

At 140 I could also say he struggled against Weis and Corley. Dude is overrated. Skilla and talent alone does not make you a good fighter. You need intangibles. Zab does no have them. He is overrated.