Comments Thread For: IBF to Decide Whether Joshua-Dubois Will Be a Championship Fight

[PRINCEKOOL]

So basically Joshua can beat usyk if they keep fighting...Lmaooo

If the 3rd fight between Joshua and Uysk is called , I know for sure? That you and everyone else mocking Joshua 'Would be extremely apprehensive of the threat of him winning'.

Anthony Joshua has fought 24 rounds with Oleksandr Uysk 'At no point in those 24 rounds, was he ever anywhere near hurt as Tyson Fury'.

Overall skill for skill, I personally think Anthony Joshua has been Oleksandr Uysk's toughest fight at Heavyweight.

Oleksandr Uysk landed 170 punches on Tyson Fury, to achieve such a feat he had to throw 407 punches. OIeksandr Uysk in his second fight vs Anthony Joshua also landed 170 punches, but to land that amount of punches Uysk was forced to throw 712 punches 'Oleksandr Uysk had to throw over 300 punches more to land on Anthony Joshua'.

Joshua by the way also out worked Uysk in their first fight, and Oleksandr Uysk was only able to land 148 punches on Anthony Joshua.

I don't think Oleksandr Uysk's performance vs Tyson Fury was his best ever 'I honestly believe that he was in better condition vs Anthony Joshua twice over. Uysk found a way to win vs Fury, but for me ? Skill or skill I think he could of fought a better fight'.

Since Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk, I have been adamant that both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua can beat Oleksandr Uysk 'But stylistically Joshua actually in my opinion would be more likely to achieve such a feat as of right now'.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport 'And pound for pound he has achieved the most impressive individual feats of achievement'.

But stylistically Oleksandr Uysk can be beaten, from top to bottom as a fighter 'Uysk is not a formidable threat in the Heavyweight Division. That is what makes his individual achievements really impressive to me, as I have stated in my previous posts? Oleksandr Uysk almost every single time he fights at top level Heavyweight, he has to fight them in a very difficult way. Because Uysk's best attributes at Heavyweight only really allow him to win fights in this manner'.

Both Anthony Joshua, and Tyson Fury are stylistically different type of fighters and threats at Heavyweight for their competitors 'Especially if a fighter like Uysk is embroiled in rematches and trilogies with them'.

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk II, Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk III 'Those are both close fights to call, they are live fights' etc.

Anthony Joshua is stylistically the most difficult fight for most top level Heavyweights in the game 'If the business opportunity was the same for all top level Heavyweight fights. And the top level Heavyweight fighters where all posed the question, which fighters do you want to fight? I don't believe that there would be many fighters raising their arm up to fight Anthony Joshua'.

When we talk about Anthony Joshua, what we are referring to is a double jeopardy threat 'Joshua is the most proven and component pure boxer skill for skill, outside of both Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk. But since the Fury vs Uysk fight, there is a definitive debate now? That Anthony Joshua skill for skill is the second best most proven Heavyweight fighter in the division'.

Not only that? Joshua is also one of the most devastating offensive power punchers in the Heavyweight Division 'For sure at the least he is ranked in the Top-3 most dangerous offensive power punchers at Heavyweight'.

When we look at the Heavyweight Division, there is no other Heavyweight active 'With that type of proven double jeopardy threat. Anthony Joshua is the only Heavyweight fighter bringing that type of threat game'.

People right now in the boxing game are ether being nice to Joshua, or they don't want to talk about him 'Because they all know, if Joshua fully utilizes all of his power. Then it is potentially over'.

It is over for whoever he fights, Tyson Fury, Oleksandr Uysk, Daniel Dubois, Zhilei Zhang, Joseph Parker 'It will be over for all of them' etc.

[vitali1999]

Sure that way it will be for undisputed Fury vs Joshua next year. Masiff United Kingdom fight

[Hustle]

Good points.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'And pound for pound has achieved the greatest individual feats'. But? In my opinion he has had a straight forward route to winning all of his world titles 'Both in the Cruiserweight and Heavyweight Divisions'.

If a Super Six Competition was created when David Haye was in the cruiserweight division 'Then Haye would of most likely became the Undisputed World Champion. I personally have always regarded as a Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, he won the Ring ****zine Belt, WBC, WBO, WBA titles.

The only reason why David Haye was not crowned as a Undisputed Champion, was because O'Neil Bell who was the IBF Champion was stripped of his IBF titles before fighting the rematch and losing to Jean Marc Mormeck. 'David Haye knocked out Jean Marc Mormeck, who at the time had beaten every single opponent he had ever fought, due to Mormeck avenging his loss to Bell'.

So what you are saying is correct, in some ways? Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and even Deontay WIlder all together have cleared out the Heavyweight Division. And it is Anthony Joshua who out of those three dominant Heavyweights of this era, has pretty much done most of the clearing out.

Once Oleksandr Uysk moved into the Heavyweight, it was just a matter of him ambushing the division 'And then taking all the titles. It is still a monumental feat of achievement, but? It would of been a way more difficult take for him if he would of enter into the Heavyweight Division even just a few years earlier'.

Note: This is why I have always been adamant that, Oleksandr Uysk being embroiled in rematches and trilogies at Heavyweight 'Is potentially where he is going to be beaten'. I have made myself very clear, if the 3rd fight between Joshua and Uysk is ever called for? I will back Anthony Joshua for the win. The trajectory of that match up between those two fighters, suggest that it is Joshua who was improving his effort'.

I have spoken about this before, and it is actually due to Oleksandr Uysk stylistically as a fighter 'Uysk's best attributes as a fighter are his skills game, and endurance. Those attributes particular at Heavyweight, force him to fight top level fighters in a very difficult way'.

Oleksandr Uysk is ether going to out score his opponents at top level, or out last them with his endurance 'We have seen this in all of his top level Heavyweight fights. They have all to a certain extent, been difficult fights for Uysk. But that is because Uysk's best attributes only really allow him to win in this manner'.

Anthony Joshua on comparison, his best attributes as a Heavyweight fighter 'Allow him to ether make fights easy or difficult. Joshua's operational window is more vast than Uysk's at Heavyweight. Joshua can out box top level Heavyweights, systematically break them down or completely obliterate and destroy them'.

For a fighter like Oleksandr Uysk to be embroiled in rematches and trilogies' with fighters like Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'At some point in my opinion, a fighter like Anthony Joshua is most likely going to find a way to make the fights even more closer' etc.

So basically Joshua can beat usyk if they keep fighting...Lmaooo

[Hustle]

The IBF can award multiple champions per with class. Like the WBA does with its regular ,gold, silver and tin belt. Does anyone care about belts anymore?

Nobody cares about fake belts. The real champ is usyk. Why should we care about the ibf giving a fake title to a guy usyk already beat?

Does anyone care about the real champion anymore?

[Hustle]

you dont know that. He could just as easily vacate the IBF and fight Zhang, or Jared Anderson, or whoever. Or, if Fury wins, or its a very competitive fight, then we have Usyk-Fury 3, and everyone gets to wait another 6-8 months.

Fury and Usyk both were well aware of IBF rules, and signed the rematch anyways. This was not a surprise to anyone.

You trying to justify taking the ibf title from the real champion to give to a guy he already beat is laughable.

Dubois and Joshua are 0-3 against the champ. they can wait

[Poopdick]

Usyk beat both of them. so why wouldn't they take belt from Usyk and give it to one of them. he'll, just make 3 of them and give one to Fury and Dubois and Joshua. sounds right

[JakeTheBoxer]

Hrgovic v Big Baby Anderson for the Gatekeeper Belt

If Hrgovic wants his way back, that would be a great fight. Anderson is totally unproven, a very winnable fight for the Croat.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Guy, undisputed championship is nor for life. Actually, it was AJ who indirectly made the undisputed fight possible by unifying the division. If he didn't do that Usyk won't be able to get 3 belts and fight for the undisputed crown before he retires due to his age. AJ has contributed immensely in making the hw division interesting and the undisputed championship bout possible. And yet people like you won't give him any credit for what he has done for hw division and boxing in general. He has been the most dedicated champion before Usyk landed on the division.

Usyk has accomplished his goals and should not hold the undisputed crown hostage for years. Imagine if Tipsy King somehow manages to beat him in the rematch then a trilogy would be necessary to settle the battle of the best in their era. And that can take 1 or 2 years going by the Tipsy King history of negotiating a fight he's not certain of winning.

In my opinion, the best solution Usyk would have offered this situation, if he wants to hold all 4 belts, should be to honour his mandatory obligation first before giving Tipsy King a rematch. It's irrelevant whether he has beaten his mandatory in the past or not, the person has earned that position and he must fight him if he want to hold on that belt. If IBF are serious about their rules they must strip Usyk if he cannot honour his mandatory obligation. The mando has as much, if not more, right to challenge the undisputed champion as the one who already had his chance to become the undisputed champion.

Good points.

Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter, he is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport of boxing 'And pound for pound has achieved the greatest individual feats'. But? In my opinion he has had a straight forward route to winning all of his world titles 'Both in the Cruiserweight and Heavyweight Divisions'.

If a Super Six Competition was created when David Haye was in the cruiserweight division 'Then Haye would of most likely became the Undisputed World Champion. I personally have always regarded as a Undisputed Cruiserweight World Champion, he won the Ring ****zine Belt, WBC, WBO, WBA titles.

The only reason why David Haye was not crowned as a Undisputed Champion, was because O'Neil Bell who was the IBF Champion was stripped of his IBF titles before fighting the rematch and losing to Jean Marc Mormeck. 'David Haye knocked out Jean Marc Mormeck, who at the time had beaten every single opponent he had ever fought, due to Mormeck avenging his loss to Bell'.

So what you are saying is correct, in some ways? Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and even Deontay WIlder all together have cleared out the Heavyweight Division. And it is Anthony Joshua who out of those three dominant Heavyweights of this era, has pretty much done most of the clearing out.

Once Oleksandr Uysk moved into the Heavyweight, it was just a matter of him ambushing the division 'And then taking all the titles. It is still a monumental feat of achievement, but? It would of been a way more difficult take for him if he would of enter into the Heavyweight Division even just a few years earlier'.

Note: This is why I have always been adamant that, Oleksandr Uysk being embroiled in rematches and trilogies at Heavyweight 'Is potentially where he is going to be beaten'. I have made myself very clear, if the 3rd fight between Joshua and Uysk is ever called for? I will back Anthony Joshua for the win. The trajectory of that match up between those two fighters, suggest that it is Joshua who was improving his effort'.

I have spoken about this before, and it is actually due to Oleksandr Uysk stylistically as a fighter 'Uysk's best attributes as a fighter are his skills game, and endurance. Those attributes particular at Heavyweight, force him to fight top level fighters in a very difficult way'.

Oleksandr Uysk is ether going to out score his opponents at top level, or out last them with his endurance 'We have seen this in all of his top level Heavyweight fights. They have all to a certain extent, been difficult fights for Uysk. But that is because Uysk's best attributes only really allow him to win in this manner'.

Anthony Joshua on comparison, his best attributes as a Heavyweight fighter 'Allow him to ether make fights easy or difficult. Joshua's operational window is more vast than Uysk's at Heavyweight. Joshua can out box top level Heavyweights, systematically break them down or completely obliterate and destroy them'.

For a fighter like Oleksandr Uysk to be embroiled in rematches and trilogies' with fighters like Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'At some point in my opinion, a fighter like Anthony Joshua is most likely going to find a way to make the fights even more closer' etc.

[Left Hook Louie]

Hrgovic v Big Baby Anderson for the Gatekeeper Belt

[Boxviewer]

Again, Usyk already beat both possible IBF contenders. One of them by KO on a jab, one of them twice by 12 round decision.

The IBF has no right to exist if they strip Usyk. If their rules ended up with a circumstance where you have to strip an undisputed champion to give his belt to one of two guys he already beat a total of three times, their organization is absolutely worthless and they should all be fired.

Guy, undisputed championship is nor for life. Actually, it was AJ who indirectly made the undisputed fight possible by unifying the division. If he didn't do that Usyk won't be able to get 3 belts and fight for the undisputed crown before he retires due to his age. AJ has contributed immensely in making the hw division interesting and the undisputed championship bout possible. And yet people like you won't give him any credit for what he has done for hw division and boxing in general. He has been the most dedicated champion before Usyk landed on the division.

Usyk has accomplished his goals and should not hold the undisputed crown hostage for years. Imagine if Tipsy King somehow manages to beat him in the rematch then a trilogy would be necessary to settle the battle of the best in their era. And that can take 1 or 2 years going by the Tipsy King history of negotiating a fight he's not certain of winning.

In my opinion, the best solution Usyk would have offered this situation, if he wants to hold all 4 belts, should be to honour his mandatory obligation first before giving Tipsy King a rematch. It's irrelevant whether he has beaten his mandatory in the past or not, the person has earned that position and he must fight him if he want to hold on that belt. If IBF are serious about their rules they must strip Usyk if he cannot honour his mandatory obligation. The mando has as much, if not more, right to challenge the undisputed champion as the one who already had his chance to become the undisputed champion.