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  • #31
    Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

    Fury lamded some great uppercuts in that two rounds but as far as usyk being hurt or distraught from any punches i just didnt see it

    Sure the commentators acted like it was dramatic times but he was in control and focused.His facial expression didnt change once

    He took two uppercuts and ate them like it was nothing and carried on with the gameplan

    Usyk looked like he was on the verge of soon being stopped, it was a systematic beatdown fury started to give him. But Fury either because he got too tired or felt like he could just toy with Usyk stopped throwing the jab and meaningful punches and allowed Usyk to get his second wind. Usyk started throwing lead lefts and becoming more desperate and aggressive after he was getting toyed with from Fury, and we know Usyk came back big and changed the whole fight. But you must clean out your eyes if you don’t think Usyk was getting beat convincingly mid fight.

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    • #32
      Lol AJ was resoundingly defeated what are you on about? Not even close. Fury eased off when he should have stepped on it, and the "KD" sealed the deal. It was a much more technical, competitive fight between the Celt and the Cossack.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Thunderous1 View Post


        Usyk looked like he was on the verge of soon being stopped, it was a systematic beatdown fury started to give him. But Fury either because he got too tired or felt like he could just toy with Usyk stopped throwing the jab and meaningful punches and allowed Usyk to get his second wind. Usyk started throwing lead lefts and becoming more desperate and aggressive after he was getting toyed with from Fury, and we know Usyk came back big and changed the whole fight. But you must clean out your eyes if you don’t think Usyk was getting beat convincingly mid fight.
        Soon to be stopped? He wasnt hurt once he back off for 10 seconds max and put the pressure back on fury...

        Usyk lost rounds 5 and 6 convincingly but a beatdown is what happened in round 9

        Usyk gave away the 5th and 6th allowing fury to lead whilst keeping close and making fury work exceptionally hard just to win the rounds ....the same as usyk has done many many times

        usyk always takes the mid rounds off and starts turning the heat back up come the 7th round its just he was in against a guy in fury who managed to land a few decent shots in the rounds he took off


        I say usyk took the rounds off but he didnt he was still applying lots of pressure just not punching much himself
        Last edited by Stuntman Mike; 05-20-2024, 08:26 AM.
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        • #34
          disagree with OP's statement.


          AJ barely won any rounds and if he did win rounds he barely won them. AJ fought safe and scared. Fury atleast tried to win, Fury dominated the mid rounds, had Usyk hurt and was landing combos on him. Fury gassed and abandoned his body attack.

          AJ fought to make it 12 rounds and was well behind on the cards and was ok with getting a decision loss doing nothing about it.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

            Soon to be stopped? He wasnt hurt once he back off for 10 seconds max and put the pressure back on fury...

            Usyk lost rounds 5 and 6 convincingly but a beatdown is what happened in round 9

            Usyk gave away the 5th and 6th allowing fury to lead whilst keeping close and making fury work exceptionally hard just to win the rounds ....the same as usyk has done many many times

            usyk always takes the mid rounds off and starts turning the heat back up come the 7th round its just he was in against a guy in fury who managed to land a few decent shots in the rounds he took off


            I say usyk took the rounds off but he didnt he was still applying lots of pressure just not punching much himself


            lol Usyk didnt give a way the mid rounds, he lost them. lol at acting like it was a grand plan of Usyk to get lit up by combos and body shots.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Stuntman Mike View Post

              Fury lamded some great uppercuts in that two rounds but as far as usyk being hurt or distraught from any punches i just didnt see it

              Sure the commentators acted like it was dramatic times but he was in control and focused.His facial expression didnt change once

              He took two uppercuts and ate them like it was nothing and carried on with the gameplan

              rewatch the fight sober and you will see he grimaces every body shot and backs up and resets.

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              • #37
                AJ is the 2nd best heavyweight of this era. Usyk is just a once in a lifetime specimen. Fury vs Klitschko was one of the worst stinkers in boxing history. Fury wasnt great that night, just Klitschko was dreadful, thats why Fury avoided the rematch and ended up facing Wilder who was extremely overrated as we can see now.
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                • #38
                  - - Easy answer is AJ obviously the better record and better career. Blubber history shows he should've been serving a drug suspension when he beat Wlad but for the ineptness of the BBBc. Then he ducked at 150mi 50/50 split Eddie put together in Saudi Arabia to go fight Deyonce for peanuts who also ducked AJ.
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                  • #39
                    I think now we have a direct comparison of Anthony Joshua's and Tyson Fury's abilities 'Without any excuses being made for Tyson Fury'.

                    Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have fought, 4 common opponents 'And for the most part Joshua has always beaten those opponents way more impressively'.

                    Joshua beat up and knocked out Kiltschko, a Wladimir Kiltschko who had to endure three back to back training camps, due to Tyson Fury pulling out of their scheduled rematch. I have always believed that Wladimir Kiltschko was better prepared and in superior condition vs Anthony Joshua than he was vs Tyson Fury 'Kilschko by his own estimations also has stated this, Kiltschko weighed in at 240 pounds vs Joshua compared to 245 pounds vs Fury'.

                    Joshua stopped Wallin inside 6 rounds. A version of Ottin Wallin who was more experienced and proven as a Heavyweight fighter at top level 'Wallin before fighting Joshua, was coming off his best ever win vs Gassiev'.

                    Joshua knocked out and completely obliterated Francis Ngannou 'Ngannou decked and was able to compete with Tyson Fury pushing him in a extremely competitive fight. Statistically on many metrics, Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury. Ngannou inflicted the most damage, and scored a knock down.

                    Francis Ngannou threw the most punches in the fight, landed the most power punches and scored a knock down 'The only statistic were Tyson Fury out competed Ngannou, was in out landing Ngannou by a mere 12 punches. Punches that were not big scoring blows, or offensive attacks that inflicted any serious damage'.

                    Anthony Joshua fought 24 rounds vs Oleksandr Usyk, out of the entire 24 rounds fought 'There was only really 3 rounds, were ether oponent distanced themselves from each other. To the point were it was a very clear dominant winning round'.

                    And those rounds were: Usyk vs Joshua I 'Round 12', Joshua vs Uysk II 'Round 9', Joshua vs Uysk II 'Round 10'.

                    Anthony Joshua suffered his worst round of boxing vs Oleksandr Uysk in their first fight round 12 'That round in my opinion was the most dominant Uysk has won in the two fights vs Joshua'.

                    Anthony Joshua had his best round vs Oleksandr Uysk in their second fight 'Joshua was able to hurt Uysk both with body attacks, and by landing power punches up top. Usyk was stumbling and physically being moved about the ring by the share force and power of Joshua'.

                    Oleksandr Uysk had his second best round vs Anthony Joshua in round 10 of their second fight 'Usyk responded to the great round from Joshua in round 9, by launching a ballistic offensive attack and going through the gears'.

                    Here are some more statistics for you, which at least prove that Joshua was competitive vs Uysk 'Both Fury's and Joshua's efforts vs Uysk are very comparable'.

                    Usyk vs Joshua I: Anthony Joshua produced higher work rate than Oleksandr Uysk in their first fight 'Joshua in total threw 641 punches, landing 123 punches. Uysk threw in total 529 punches, landing 148 punches'. Uysk out landed Joshua by 25 punches.

                    Joshua vs Uysk II: Anthony Joshua in his rematch vs Oleksandr Uysk produced a work rate and threw 492 punches 'Joshua landed a total of 125 punches. Uysk threw in total 712 punches, landing 170 punches'.

                    Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk: Statistics.

                    Tyson Fury just like Anthony Joshua in his first fight, produced a higher work rate than Oleksandr Uysk 'Fury threw a total of 496 punches'.

                    I will stop right there on that statistic guys, you see? There is a narrative, that Tyson Fury has superior levels of endurance to Joshua. Although both fighters have produced a higher work rate than Uysk in at least one of their fights, Joshua in the first usyk fight threw 641 punches.

                    Anthony Joshua produced a higher work rate than Tyson Fury by 145 punches 'Joshua was not as visibly fatigued as Fury, in ether of his fights vs Usyk'.

                    Oleksandr Uysk landed 170 punches on Tyson Fury, this is exactly the same number of punches Uysk landed on Joshua in their second fight.

                    But once again, I will stop right there on that statistic. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 407 punches vs Tyson Fury, and landed 170 punches 'Oleksandr Uysk in his rematch with Joshua threw a total of 741 punches, Uysk in order to land 170 punches on Joshua had to throw 334 more punches than he did vs Fury'.

                    Oleksandr Uysk in his first fight vs Anthony Joshua 'Landed 148 punches. And threw a total 529 punches'.

                    Uysk once again vs Joshua, is being forced to produced a higher work rate to land his punches 'The only statistic were Fury out competed Joshua is in punches landed on Uysk'.

                    The higher number of punches Joshua landed on Uysk was 124 punches, in the second fight. Joshua actually landed 123 punches in the first fight.

                    The highest number of punches Fury landed on Uysk is 157 punches 'Which Fury deserves credit for because? That is impressive'.

                    But when we analyse the fight 'Not the boxing match, we are going beyond the statistics of the fights now'.

                    Anthony Joshua in his two fights vs Oleksandr Uysk was able to hurt Uysk in a way that Fury could not 'Joshua inflicted the most visible damage on Uysk in the two fights'.

                    Oleksandr Uysk was able to inflict more damage on Tyson Fury, than he was Anthony Joshua 'Uysk has competed against Joshua over 24 rounds, and he was not able to hurt Joshua anywhere near to the level and brutality that he did against Fury'.

                    Note: So what can we take from this analysis? What is the conclusion and comparison between Anthony Joshua's and Tyson Fury's abilities.

                    The statistical and observational evidence from those fights, concluded that as of right now skill for skill Fury and Joshua are extremely comparable 'In almost every single area of the game'.

                    Tyson Fury is a great fighter, but he is not miles better than Anthony Joshua.

                    People may pass over this information, and continue to promote narratives around Tyson Fury's and Anthony Joshua's abilities 'All I will say is this? You can all carry on behaving in this manner potentially at your peril'.

                    Because at some point if Tyson Fury continues to fight on in the game 'Fury is going to met head to head with Anthony Joshua'.

                    And there are many people out their within the boxing community who agree with me, that Joshua is stylistically Fury's most difficult fight. I have used this analogy before, and it is what I like to all 'The computer game analogy'.

                    If was playing a computer game, and you was granted the task of creating character to beat Tyson Fury 'That fighter would appear to be more like Anthony Joshua than Oleksandr Uysk. The character created would have more of Joshua's attributes and fighting bars turned up to the maximum'.

                    The boxing analyst out their in game have known for many years, that Anthony Joshua is stylistically Tyson Fury's most difficult fight that could theoretically happen in his career 'Tyson Fury and those close to him have always known this. That is why Fury avoided fighting Joshua in 2018, and chose to fight what he thought was stylistically the easier fight in Deontay Wilder I'.

                    This is why in this battle between the top-4 Heavyweights of this era, to see who will be the last man standing 'Joshua is a serious danger to all of those fighters. I will give Joshua a serious chance of beating both Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Uysk in a potential 4th fight' etc.








                    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 05-20-2024, 11:10 AM.
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                    • #40
                      Aj had 2 attempts

                      I thought Usyk dominated the first fight

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