Does Victor Ortiz have any heart?

[D-MiZe]

i dont think people should be questioning ortiz's heart based on one single incident, i think if you do that to any persons career you end up with a distorted view.

for instance take the first vasquez/marquez fight - israel quit because he broke his nose and he couldn't breathe properly. now anyone who takes that one incident and uses it to sum up vasquez's career would conclude that hes a quitter.

i think we should give ortiz a bit more time and see if he bounces back, how he responds to this criticsm. im not aying ortiz is a warrior and im not saying hes a quitter im just saying he hasa question mark over him and we should at least give him a few fights to answer that.

ortiz vs khan - right now id say khan, but if ortiz gets back to the level he was at pre-maidana id say that with his unorthodox stance and khans chin it wouldn't surprise me if khan finished the bout laid out on the canvas.

Come on Hammer,

" I'm not supposed to get beaten up like this, I'm too young. "

That is a pure quitter.

Shall I translate that?

" I should be fed tomato cans. "

[Roger Mellie]

Its a bit harsh to criticise the guys heart too much,he does after all make his living in a boxing ring. It really depends on how determined he is.

Amir Khan is a good example for him. Khan suffered defeat in just about the most humiliating way possible,but rather than skulking away for a year-eighteen months trying to 'find himself' he got stuck straight back in,got a better team together,made the necessary sacrifices and got himself a world title. He doesnt seem to get the respect he deserves for that.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Khan's a gutty kid, his willing and courage is somewhat overlooked, and I was never on that irritating Ortiz wagon, so it pains me to say it slightly - but I think Ortiz knocks him out.

[two_guns]

I'm glad Khan is so underrated on these boards.

underrated,you must be one of those that think kahn
actually stoped barrera huh.

[two_guns]

Khan destroyed Ortiz in the amateurs




DESTROYED

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your definition of distroyed is alot different then others

[lowki]

nope victor ortiz doesn't have heart, he does have one big blood gulching vagina though.

[BOOMbip]

Stopped him in round 2 didn't he?

Froch looks like a Sith.


Froch him.

[#4#king]

the human side of me sympathizes with ortiz, especially in light of gatti killing himself recently, not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of other boxers whose careers have messed them up...

the boxing fan in me will never respect him as a fighter again...boxing is a mans game, if you cant hang then hang them up...simple as that...if you cant take the punishment, then you should stay an amateur and fight in the olympics or something...

ortiz was hurt pretty bad, but he was by no means done...he wanted to be the big hero by playing no defense and trading shots, and maidana had more balls despite taking more shots...ortiz tried to fight a israel vasquez fight without the vasquez guts...

ill never pay to see ortiz fight, put it that way...he has a nice story, sure...he's good looking and charming, too...but im a boxing fan not some crappy reality TV show fan...

[Zarco]

Khan destroyed Ortiz in the amateurs




DESTROYED

Stopped him in round 2 didn't he?

khan does have stoppage win over him but it is where the ref stops the fight because the opponent is loosing on points and the score is severely imbalanced, amateur boxing scoring. dont go thinking khan "stopped" ortiz as in the professionals "stopped". amateurs dont mean much when it comes to the professionals. mayweather has 4 losses in the amateurs.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

Think about it

Amir Khan gets knocked out cold in the first round and in the interview straight after hes hungary.

Victor Ortiz gets clobbered over a period of rounds and cries that he's not sure if he wants to be a boxer.



KHAN VS ORTIZ WHO TAKES IT?

a naz fan talkin about heart...funny