BoxRec TOP 5 WWs is a joke

[Horus]

Crybabies...

Mayweather =
former lineal Welterweight Champion.


Props to:fitzgeraldz

First 1.5 yrs as a pro, won a world title - without a title eliminator or interim title ... and in his first 17 or 18 fights

10 consecutive years as a world champion

5-WBC titles in as many weight classes

6-time world champion, in his first 10 yrs as pro

all championships he won were off of reigning champions - no vacant titles - he was a challenger in a fight 6 times and has a 6-0 2KO

15 current/former world champions faced

20-title fights (20-0 record)

3 linear titles

all this happened during a streak of 39 straight victories and within the first 10 yrs of his professional career.

No one in the history of boxing has accomplished that without havinng taken a loss or more

He's only 1 championship away from tying the record held by Sugar Ray Robinson and thats winning 7 world champions ...

He's currently tied with Sugar Ray Leonard with legitimized championship in 5 different weight classes.

I'm not saying you have to like the man but he's one of the best of all-time ...

It also has been confirmed that (not including linear titles) Pacquiao has won titles in only 4 weight classes (with as many alphabet titles) and Oscar didn't have many legitimized titles ...

[Horus]

1. Wilfred Benitez January 14, 1979 - November 30, 1979
2. Sugar Ray Leonard November 30, 1979 - June 20, 1980
3. Roberto Duran June 20, 1980 - November 25, 1980
4. Sugar Ray Leonard November 25, 1980 - November 9, 1982 (Retired)
5. Donald Curry (defeated Milton McCrory) December 6, 1985 - September 27, 1986
6. Lloyd Honeyghan September 27, 1986 - October 27, 1987
7. Jorge Vaca October 27, 1987 - March 29, 1988
8. Lloyd Honeyghan March 29, 1988 - February 4, 1989
9. Marlon Starling February 4, 1989 - March 2, 1989 (Ring ceased publication for 7 months)
10. Vernon Forrest January 26, 2002 - January 25, 2003
11. Ricardo Mayorga January 25, 2003 - December 13, 2003
12. Cory Spinks December 13, 2003 - February 5, 2005
13. Zab Judah February 5, 2005 - January 7, 2006
14. Carlos Manuel Baldomir January 7, 2006 - November 4 , 2006
15. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
16. vacant

Where is Miguel Cotto on that list?
Where is Andre Berto on that list?
Where is Kermit Cintron on that list?
Where is Joshua Clottey on that list?
Where is Margario on that list?
Where is Shane Mosley on that list?


Floyd is the only current active welterweight that has been a lineal champion of the division...

So that tells me he has been fighting top welters

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1. Wilfred Benitez January 14, 1979 - November 30, 1979
2. Sugar Ray Leonard November 30, 1979 - June 20, 1980
3. Roberto Duran June 20, 1980 - November 25, 1980
4. Sugar Ray Leonard November 25, 1980 - November 9, 1982 (Retired)
5. Donald Curry (defeated Milton McCrory) December 6, 1985 - September 27, 1986
6. Lloyd Honeyghan September 27, 1986 - October 27, 1987
7. Jorge Vaca October 27, 1987 - March 29, 1988
8. Lloyd Honeyghan March 29, 1988 - February 4, 1989
9. Marlon Starling February 4, 1989 - March 2, 1989 (Ring ceased publication for 7 months)
10. Vernon Forrest January 26, 2002 - January 25, 2003
11. Ricardo Mayorga January 25, 2003 - December 13, 2003
12. Cory Spinks December 13, 2003 - February 5, 2005
13. Zab Judah February 5, 2005 - January 7, 2006
14. Carlos Manuel Baldomir January 7, 2006 - November 4 , 2006
15. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
16. vacant

Where is Miguel Cotto on that list?
Where is Andre Berto on that list?
Where is Kermit Cintron on that list?
Where is Joshua Clottey on that list?
Where is Margario on that list?
Where is Shane Mosley on that list?


Floyd is the only current active welterweight that has been a lineal champion of the division...

So that tells me he has been fighting top welters

Let me see,,where on Mayweathers great list of accomplishments does it contain a win vs a great or even very good, solid natural welterweight, who was peak, or at his natural weight.

You need to learn exactlkyl why Mayweather can have 100 wins and will never be considered up there with a Leonard etc. That is because it is qualilty over quantity.

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1. Wilfred Benitez January 14, 1979 - November 30, 1979
2. Sugar Ray Leonard November 30, 1979 - June 20, 1980
3. Roberto Duran June 20, 1980 - November 25, 1980
4. Sugar Ray Leonard November 25, 1980 - November 9, 1982 (Retired)
5. Donald Curry (defeated Milton McCrory) December 6, 1985 - September 27, 1986
6. Lloyd Honeyghan September 27, 1986 - October 27, 1987
7. Jorge Vaca October 27, 1987 - March 29, 1988
8. Lloyd Honeyghan March 29, 1988 - February 4, 1989
9. Marlon Starling February 4, 1989 - March 2, 1989 (Ring ceased publication for 7 months)
10. Vernon Forrest January 26, 2002 - January 25, 2003
11. Ricardo Mayorga January 25, 2003 - December 13, 2003
12. Cory Spinks December 13, 2003 - February 5, 2005
13. Zab Judah February 5, 2005 - January 7, 2006
14. Carlos Manuel Baldomir January 7, 2006 - November 4 , 2006
15. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
16. vacant

Where is Miguel Cotto on that list?
Where is Andre Berto on that list?
Where is Kermit Cintron on that list?
Where is Joshua Clottey on that list?
Where is Margario on that list?
Where is Shane Mosley on that list?


Floyd is the only current active welterweight that has been a lineal champion of the division...

So that tells me he has been fighting top welters

Since this tells you he has been fightiing top welter...

Why dont you list who these TOP WELTERS, WHO ARE GREAT AND NATURAL WELTERWEIGHTS ARE. This should be interesting.

[Horus]

Let me see,,where on Mayweathers great list of accomplishments does it contain a win vs a great or even very good, solid natural welterweight, who was peak, or at his natural weight.

You need to learn exactlkyl why Mayweather can have 100 wins and will never be considered up there with a Leonard etc. That is because it is qualilty over quantity.

Mayweather = Last Lineal Welterweight Champion.
Crybaby

[Glamour Puss]

Clottey would tear Berto a new one:

Ratings should go:

1)Mosely (joint 1st)
1)Cotto (joint 1st)
3)Williams
4)Clottey
5)Mayweather

No way they should go:

1)Mosley
2)Margarito
3)Cotto
4)Clottey
5)Cintron

Floyd hasn't fought anyone in the top 4 at WW since joining so why is he even there ????

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Mayweather = Last Lineal Welterweight Champion.
Crybaby

That pretty much is the answer I assumed you would give....

[miron_lang]

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr 1794 40(25)-0(0)-0

2 Shane Mosley 1741 46(39)-5(0)-0

3 Antonio Margarito 958 37(27)-6(1)-0

4 Miguel Angel Cotto 909 34(27)-1(1)-0

5 Andre Berto 837 25(19)-0(0)-0


Since winning the WW Tittle in 2006, PBF has not fight a true WW, but all of the sudden after beating a lifetime featherweight, now he is the top WW?!?!?! What a ****ing joke!!! How people keep defending PBF's career since he beated JUDAH is amazing. Floyd is definitely NOT THE BEST WelterWeight out there.

I agree that SSM should be over Cotto, but Maragrito at number 3 is a hell of a joke too. Cotto is not receiving the credit he deserves. You may argue on who got a better record as a WW between Cotto and SSM. SSM is the man to beat in the division right now. Too bad, PBF is scare to fight him.

Berto is sitting there at number 5, which is probably the place he deserves to be, specially when Clottey lost to Cotto. The rest of the top 10 is arguable. Quintana is number 15, mainly due to his inactivity. Cintron and PW are considered a LMW, 3rd and 1st, respectively. Gomez at 11th and Judah at 12th is another bad joke.

I wonder what would happen if Paul Williams decides to have another fight at 147lbs. How will he change the rankings? PW may face anybody and MUST be place at number 1 if you keep track of what they did with MayWeather. In PW case, there is no boxer at WW or LWW willing to fight him. Not even SSM, Cotto, and obviously PBF.

IF Juan Manuel Lopez decides to fight at 140 againts another former 122lbs fighter and wins. He will be the #1 Jr Welter according to Boxrec.

[oc9979]

Crybabies...

Mayweather =
former lineal Welterweight Champion.


Props to:fitzgeraldz

First 1.5 yrs as a pro, won a world title - without a title eliminator or interim title ... and in his first 17 or 18 fights

10 consecutive years as a world champion

5-WBC titles in as many weight classes

6-time world champion, in his first 10 yrs as pro

all championships he won were off of reigning champions - no vacant titles - he was a challenger in a fight 6 times and has a 6-0 2KO

15 current/former world champions faced

20-title fights (20-0 record)

3 linear titles

all this happened during a streak of 39 straight victories and within the first 10 yrs of his professional career.

No one in the history of boxing has accomplished that without havinng taken a loss or more

He's only 1 championship away from tying the record held by Sugar Ray Robinson and thats winning 7 world champions ...

He's currently tied with Sugar Ray Leonard with legitimized championship in 5 different weight classes.

I'm not saying you have to like the man but he's one of the best of all-time ...

It also has been confirmed that (not including linear titles) Pacquiao has won titles in only 4 weight classes (with as many alphabet titles) and Oscar didn't have many legitimized titles ...

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr. pro debut was 10/11/1996
and he won his first World Title on 10/03/1998
thats 8 days short from 2 years. So it is not 1.5 years.


2. What are legitimized titles???
Oscar De La Hoya
1st Title: 130 WBO Super Featherweight Title
2nd Title: 135 Vacant WBO Lightweight Title
3rd Title: 140 WBC Light Welterweight Title
4th Title: 147 WBC Welterweight Title
5th Title: 154 WBC Light Middleweight Title
6th Title: 160 WBO Middleweight Title

[oc9979]

Mayweather = Last Lineal Welterweight Champion.
Crybaby

Last Lineal Welterweight Champion and only defended it against Hatton.