Jose Luis Ramirez vs William "Camaron" Zepeda at 135

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José Luis Ramírez (born December 3, 1958) is a Mexican former professional boxer who was a two-time World Lightweight Champion. His boxing record is 102–9 (82 KOs). Seven of Ramirez's nine career losses came against future Hall Of Fame members.

He has:

-Only been knocked out once at 19 years old against Ruben Olivares.

-beaten Terrance Alli (33-4-2) (who defeated young rising contenders such as Miguel Santana, Darryl Tyson, David Theo, Santos Cardona, and Othal Dixon. However, his momentum was thwarted after losing a tough unanimous decision to Roger Mayweather on July 15, 1990.)

-Beat Cornelius Boza Edwards (45-6-1) at the end of his career.

-Lost to Hector Macho Camacho (26-0).

-beaten Edwin Rosario (24-0-0) in the rematch (who defeated Edwin Viruet, Jose Luis Ramirez in a close fight, Howard Davis Jr, Frankie Randall, Livingstone Bramble and Loreto Garza).

-Controversially beat Pernell Whitaker (15-0), who won the rematch.

-Lost to Alexis Arguello (64-5) by split decision, he had knocked Arguello down in the sixth round.

-Lost to Julio Cesar Chavez (61-0) by technical decision in the eleventh round, due to a bad cut.

-Lost to Ray Mancini (19-0) and Martin Coggi. (43-1-2)




William Zepeda Segura (born 4 June 1996) is a Mexican professional boxer who has held the WBA Continental Americas lightweight title since July 2021. He holds a record of (29-0, 25 KOs). Has beaten the likes of Hector Tanajara Jr (19-0, 5 KOs), Rene Alvarado (32-11, 21 KOs), Joseph Diaz Jr (32-2-1, 15 KOs), and Mercito Gesta (34-3-3, 17 KOs).




How would the current lightweight contender fair against a prime "average" lightweight champion from the 80s.

[gauze]

we haven't seen zepeda in with enough solid competition yet. personally, i felt that ramirez deserved the win in the first whitaker fight. it's difficult to score since it's hard to tell what punches are landing or not. i feel like fights broadcasted from france tend to have a lower quality. i was watching some tony yoka fight and it looked like it was broadcasted in the 90s. edwin rosario is a very good win and much better than anyone zepeda has been in with so far. i like ramirez in this fight strictly based on the quality of fighters he's been in with. the chavez fight was pretty close with 2 of the judges at the time it went to the cards. that's a prime chavez too

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we haven't seen zepeda in with enough solid competition yet. personally, i felt that ramirez deserved the win in the first whitaker fight. it's difficult to score since it's hard to tell what punches are landing or not. i feel like fights broadcasted from france tend to have a lower quality. i was watching some tony yoka fight and it looked like it was broadcasted in the 90s. edwin rosario is a very good win and much better than anyone zepeda has been in with so far. i like ramirez in this fight strictly based on the quality of fighters he's been in with. the chavez fight was pretty close with 2 of the judges at the time it went to the cards. that's a prime chavez too

I have to rewatch the first fight with Whitaker, it was quite competitive but the public's consensus was that the fight should gone to Sweet Pea.

I agree that Zepeda hasn't fought enough, but when he steps up in competition he seems to improve or put on better performances. He got dropped by Luis Angel Viedas before stopping in the next round and got overwhelmed by Rene Alvarado for 6 rounds before adjusting and outboxing him. He then one sidedly beat up Joseph Diaz Jr and Mercito Gesta. William has a lot of impressive qualities when he brings his A game, he is quite similiar to Errol Spence in terms of boxing ability and punching output.

But until he actually fights at to name, maybe I should had refrained pitting him against a fighter who beaten, made it competitive and mostly lost against HOF fighters. Jose Luis Ramirez was a pretty good fighter that unfortunately for him, was born in era with a elite quality fighters, was curious how he perform against today's top fighters. He was a an experienced vet, a southpaw, had insane output along with being a big puncher and had a granite chin with decent defense.

[gauze]

I have to rewatch the first fight with Whitaker, it was quite competitive but the public's consensus was that the fight should gone to Sweet Pea.

I agree that Zepeda hasn't fought enough, but when he steps up in competition he seems to improve or put on better performances. He got dropped by Luis Angel Viedas before stopping in the next round and got overwhelmed by Rene Alvarado for 6 rounds before adjusting and outboxing him. He then one sidedly beat up Joseph Diaz Jr and Mercito Gesta. William has a lot of impressive qualities when he brings his A game, he is quite similiar to Errol Spence in terms of boxing ability and punching output.

But until he actually fights at to name, maybe I should had refrained pitting him against a fighter who beaten, made it competitive and mostly lost against HOF fighters. Jose Luis Ramirez was a pretty good fighter that unfortunately for him, was born in era with a elite quality fighters, was curious how he perform today.

with zepeda's style i think he has some pretty entertaining fights with the late 70s/80s guys around 135, at the very least. surprised to see someone mention ramirez on here though. i'll have to take a look on the web and see if there's a better quality version of the whitaker fight than the one they used to show on ESPN classic. chacon, boza edwards, mancini, arguello, rosario, bazooka limon...great era back then with some fan-friendly fighters

[Malvado]

with zepeda's style i think he has some pretty entertaining fights with the late 70s/80s guys around 135, at the very least. surprised to see someone mention ramirez on here though. i'll have to take a look on the web and see if there's a better quality version of the whitaker fight than the one they used to show on ESPN classic. chacon, boza edwards, mancini, arguello, rosario, bazooka limon...great era back then with some fan-friendly fighters

Hope Zepeda gets to step it up and fight the likes of Frank Martin, Edwin De Los Santos and Raymond Muratalla if he doesn't get to fight Davis, Shakur and Lomachenko.

Bobby Chacon and Cornelius Boza Edwards were top contenders at featherweight/super featherweight in the late 70s along with Rolando Navarrete, Alexis Arguello and Rafael "Bazooka". They all fought each other like 2-3 times. They were the "Furious Five" of the lighter weight divisions. Then 80s followed up with Danny Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson and Salvador Sanchez. Would had loved to watch Salvador Sanchez move up and fight Alexis Arguello.

First time I watched Zurdo, I started with some highlights involving Jose Luis Ramirez by Hanzagod and then followed up watching his performances with Rosario I-II, Whitaker and Arguello. Which I was surprised how well he performed, he was hittable but slipped plenty of big punches to counter with his own and knew how to cut the ring. I rated him well due to workrate and grit, but honestly after watching Teofimo's latest match up, Ramirez seems quite well rounded as a fighter.

[gauze]

Hope Zepeda gets to step it up and fight the likes of Frank Martin, Edwin De Los Santos and Raymond Muratalla if he doesn't get to fight Davis, Shakur and Lomachenko.

Bobby Chacon and Cornelius Boza Edwards were top contenders at featherweight/super featherweight in the late 70s along with Rolando Navarrete, Alexis Arguello and Rafael "Bazooka". They all fought each other like 2-3 times. They were the "Furious Five" of the lighter weight divisions. Then 80s followed up with Danny Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson and Salvador Sanchez. Would had loved to watch Salvador Sanchez move up and fight Alexis Arguello.

First time I watched Zurdo, I started with some highlights involving Jose Luis Ramirez by Hanzagod and then followed up watching his performances with Rosario I-II, Whitaker and Arguello. Which I was surprised how well he performed, he was hittable but slipped plenty of big punches to counter with his own and knew how to cut the ring. I rated him well due to workrate and grit, but honestly after watching Teofimo's latest match up, Ramirez seems quite well rounded as a fighter.

great highlight video! chapo took some big punches there and showed some resilience. i feel like puerto rico has been quiet lately and the mexican rivalry hasn't produced many good fights. the great thing about that era was everyone fought each other and i think they were more skilled. fighters back then didn't use such a wide stance and it makes for a completely different style of boxing compared to now. ramirez was relentless with his pressure and offense, underrated fighter.

zepeda vs isaac cruz would probably be a fun fight or jose valenzuela.

[Malvado]

great highlight video! chapo took some big punches there and showed some resilience. i feel like puerto rico has been quiet lately and the mexican rivalry hasn't produced many good fights. the great thing about that era was everyone fought each other and i think they were more skilled. fighters back then didn't use such a wide stance and it makes for a completely different style of boxing compared to now. ramirez was relentless with his pressure and offense, underrated fighter.

zepeda vs isaac cruz would probably be a fun fight or jose valenzuela.

Sadly it looks like Isaac Cruz is permanently moving up to 140 to fight Romero for his belt, Zepeda vs Valenzuela might be interesting, pressure fighter vs counter puncher.

By the way Puerto Rico might have been struggling producing some ellite fighters lately, but Oscar Collazo (105), Emmanuel Rodriguez (118) and Subriel Matias (140) seem pretty good. Don't know much of Jonathan Gonzalez (112) yet. Matias seems like a entertaining throwback fighter. There is Xander Zayas (154) to look out for.

Mexico has been producing good solid fighters like Isaac Cruz, Emanuel Naverrete and William Zepeda. But no ATG talents as of late sadly. Probably Rafael Espinoza who produced a fight of the year by the pulling the upset agaisnt Robeisy Ramirez, but he hasn't fought enough to tell if he can achieve more.

Hope that Gael "El Terror" Cabrera (118) and Jose "Chapulin" Salas (122) live up to expectations and improve over time, the former being a amateur standout with a style similiar to Alfonso Zamora and the latter having a Loma esque style where he uses a lot of angles, Salas just had a 3-4 month training camp with Naoya Inoue for Marlon Tapales.

I also agree that Jose Luis Ramirez seems like a underrated fighter, it takes HOFs/ATGs skills to beat a prime Ramirez, but even then he is a nightmare to deal with his southpaw stance, precision, workrate, and granite chin.