IF you could PUNISH MOSLEY "TODAY" for taking STEROIDS in the past WOULD you?

[Al Haymon]

If using steroids is considered cheating, what does in this case a fighter have more in a fight than his opponent by using steroids? Is there proof that either they used the steroids during the fight or was a fighter visibly beaten so bad because of steroids?

If so, please provide proof

If I'm pitching, and you use a corked bat, but I strike you out....were you cheating?
I say yes. You just didn't capitalize.

If you want proof that Shane was on PED's during the DLH 2 bout, I can provide that. Please remember that the purpose of 'roids is so that you can train longer/harder/better and recover more quickly.

Please let me know if you are dis*****g that assertion. Thanks.

[Ravishing]

There is no proof that it helps... Take Shane for example IMO it hurt him more than helping him... Look at the Oscar fights. Look when he used in the rematch and looked when he didn't use in the first. Tell me what version of Shane was throwing quick combo's? Which version of Shane looked better? The one who was using or the one that was not using?

I mean, both fights to me were both very close. I didn't see anything in Shane where I was like, "Damn, Shane fell off".

But in the same token, do we assume because he had an off night or a brilliant night was due to the use of steroids?

[Al Haymon]

There is no proof that it helps... Take Shane for example IMO it hurt him more than helping him... Look at the Oscar fights. Look when he used in the rematch and looked when he didn't use in the first. Tell me what version of Shane was throwing quick combo's? Which version of Shane looked better? The one who was using or the one that was not using?

If there is proof of anything in this world, it is that steroids do work.
For someone to say that steroids do not help an athlete is baffling.

You can't do a linear comparison between those two fights because there are way too many variables. Way too many.

[Ravishing]

If I'm pitching, and you use a corked bat, but I strike you out....were you cheating?
I say yes. You just didn't capitalize.

If you want proof that Shane was on PED's during the DLH 2 bout, I can provide that. Please remember that the purpose of 'roids is so that you can train longer/harder/better and recover more quickly.

Please let me know if you are dis*****g that assertion. Thanks.

But again, you're going around it.

If steroids is supposed to make you this much stronger and powerful person by increasing your strength, what fights can you prove that a fighter indeed was able to show that in a fight and work in his favor?

[Al Haymon]

But again, you're going around it.

If steroids is supposed to make you this much stronger and powerful person by increasing your strength, what fights can you prove that a fighter indeed was able to show that in a fight and work in his favor?

James Toney benefited by gaining muscle (under the blubber) and fought as a competent heavyweight.

Evander Holyfield's entire WW run was fueled by steroids.

[Al Haymon]

Now Rav, I've given you two examples.

Please answer this for me.

If you do something illegal, and you don't get caught or it doesn't benefit you, is it still cheating?

Please refer to the corked bat example.

[Heru]

I might make his De La Hoya rematch win a no contest, but then Winky might have to be stripped of his 154 Ring and linear titles.

[Ravishing]

James Toney benefited by gaining muscle (under the blubber) and fought as a competent heavyweight.

Evander Holyfield's entire WW run was fueled by steroids.

James Toney blew up like a balloon and did nothing significant at Heavyweight and was a lush, how did that benefit him?

Evander Holyfield is another great example. Look what happened to him. He was having heart issues in his mid 30s, so if he was using steroids (or HGH as reported), do you also believe him beating Tyson or Rid**** Bowe (his last 2 big wins) was because of steroids too? Can you prove that it helped him in either of those fights (or with Foreman)?

[Sam D. Menace]

no, you think fighters and people left and right calling him a cheater and steroid abuser is'nt punishment enough?
i think it is

[Al Haymon]

James Toney blew up like a balloon and did nothing significant at Heavyweight and was a lush, how did that benefit him?

Evander Holyfield is another great example. Look what happened to him. He was having heart issues in his mid 30s, so if he was using steroids (or HGH as reported), do you also believe him beating Tyson or Rid**** Bowe (his last 2 big wins) was because of steroids too? Can you prove that it helped him in either of those fights (or with Foreman)?

James Toney at 190 pounds can't compete with Holyfield, Ruiz, rahman, Peter.