How would Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. fair against today's fighters at 130-140? (Hypothetical)

[Malvado]

Notable wins at 130 (10-0 championship fights, 7 KOs) :

-Chavez fought against the title contender Mario "Azabache" Martinez (33-1-2) for WBC superfeatherweight title at 22 years old.

-Chavez knocked out Ruben Castillo (60-4-2) in the sixth round, he never won in his biggest fights but he gave a lot of trouble to Alexis Arguello and Salvador Sanchez with close fights. Laporte sealed his win in the later stage of the fight with a knockdown.

-Chavez defended against "Black Mamba" Mayweather (21-2) in the second round, who. He had beaten fellow champion Samuel Serrano (47-5-1), Vinny Pazienza (25-2) and Livingstone Bramble (35-10-1).

-Rocky Lockridge (38-4) who beat Cornelius Boza Edwards, and Roger Mayweather.

-Juan Laporte (27-6), had controversial losses to Eusebio Pedroza and Julio Cesar Chavez, as people thought those fights were quite close. He also made it quite difficult for Salvador Sanchez who won convincingly.

-Defended against Francisco Tomas Da Cruz (27-1).

Notable fights at 135 (2-0 championship fights, 1 KO):

-Moved up and won the WBA title by beating Edwin Rosario (31-2). Who had wins over Edwin Viruet, Jose Luis Ramirez, Howard Davis Jr (Golden Olympian with a record of 26-1), Frankie Randall, Livingstone Bramble and Lorenzo Garza (28-1-1 who was in a winning streak beating Vinny Paz and Martin Coggi).

-beat Rodolfo Aguilar (20-0).

-Defended and won the WBC title against Jose Luis Ramirez (101-6) who knocked out Edwin Rosario in the rematch, and a controversial SD win over Pernell Whitaker. He also had a controversial loss with Alexis Arguello which was quite competitive and even managed to drop Arguello for the first time in the sixth round. He had retired a faded Cornelius Boza Edwards and lost to Ruben Olivares, Hector Camacho, Ray Mancini, Edwin Rosario, Pernell Whitaker in the rematch and Martin Coggi.

-beat Alberto Cortes (44-0).

Notable fights at 140 (20-4-2 championship fights, 11 KOs):

-Moved up and beat Roger Mayweather (34-5) again for the WBC title. Roger was in a streak of 7 wins and had beaten Vinny Pazienza prior to the rematch with Chavez.

-He defeated Meldrick Taylor (24-0-1) by controversial 12 round knockout after a hard fought fight against the Golden Olympian.

-Defended against Kyung Duk Ahn (29-1).

-Defended against John Duplessis (36-1).

-Defended against Angel Hernandez (37-0-2).

-Defended against Frankie Mitchell (29-1)

-Defended against Hector Camacho (40-1) retired both very faded and old Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard, he had also beaten Rafael Limon, Cornelius Boza Edwards, Jose Luis Ramirez, Edwin Rosario, Howard Davis Jr, Ray Mancini, Vinny Pazienza and Greg Haugen.

-Beaten Marty Jakubowski (37-0)

-Defended against Greg Haugen (32-4). Won against Jimmy Paul, Vinny Pazienza, Hector Camacho (undefeated), and Ray Mancini.

-Controversial Draw in favor of Pernell Whitaker (32-1) at 147. A Golden Olympian at 135. Has wins over Roger Mayweather, Jorge Paez, Greg Haugen, Jose Luis Ramirez, Azumah Nelson, James McGirt X2, and Wilfredo Rivera X2. (With the first match being controversial in favor of Wilfredo).

-Defended against Andy Holligan (21-0)

-Defended against Tony Lopez (45-4-1) defeated Jorge Paez, Rocky Lockridge X2, and John John Molina X2.

-Lost to Frankie Randall (48-2-1). Who defeated Martin Coggi X2.

-Won the rematch against Frankie Randall for the WBC light welterweight title.

-Defended against Giovanni Parisi (29-1), formerly a Golden Olympian at featherweight and as a professional fought at 135-147.

-Defended against David Kamau. (26-0)

-Defended against Scott Walker (21-3-1) who had retired a very faded Alexis Arguello, who was unactive for 10 years.

-Lost against Oscar De La Hoya (21-0). A former Golden Olympian, that went to win titles in six divisions. He defeated the likes of Jimmy Bredahl, Jorge Paez, John John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jesse James Leijah, (controversially) Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, Wilfredo Rivera, Ike Quartey, Arturo Gatti, Javier Castillejo, Fernando Vargas, York Boy Campas, (controversially) Felix Sturm and Ricardo Mayorga. He had lost controversially against Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosley in the rematch.

-Beat Joey Gamache (45-2)

-Had a draw with Miguel Angel Gonzalez (42-1)

-Beat Ken Sigurani (22-1)

-Lost rematch against De La Hoya (28-0) for WBC title.

-Challenged Kostya Tszyu (24-1) for WBC title and lost by sixth round TKO. He beat Juan Laporte, Livingstone Bramble, Roger Mayweather, Rafael Ruelas, Zab Judah and Jesse James Leijah.



How would he fair against the Champs of 130-140, fighters like of Emanuel Navarrete, Oshaquie Foster, Joe Cordina, Lamont Roach, Gervonta Davis, Shakur Stevenson, Teofimo Lopez, Subriel Matias, and Devin Haney?

[Teetotaler69]

Beats tf outta stank, chickenson would run but would lose on points, cryan would quit, navarette gets beat up, bumero gets ktfo, hankey does good depending if his chin holds up but still gets stopped. Lopez the only that would probably fare well




Also lmfao at the unnecessary "hypothetical ". As if chavez would come out of retirement now and actually fight any of em

[Malvado]

Beats tf outta stank, chickenson would run but would lose on points, cryan would quit, navarette gets beat up, bumero gets ktfo, hankey does good depending if his chin holds up but still gets stopped. Lopez the only that would probably fare well




Also lmfao at the unnecessary "hypothetical ". As if chavez would come out of retirement now and actually fight any of em

I don't know how to describe a scenario where a young prime Chavez Sr. would be able to face today's contenders. Either it was hypothetical or speculative.

[The Big Dunn]

If you look at the Pernell and Randall fights, I think there is a clear style, supported by athleticism, that Chavez Sr. might struggle with.

If you look at the Taylor fight, you can also see that despite struggling, his persistence keeps him in fights and gives him a great chance to win.

I would pick Shakur, Teo and Matias to beat him.

I think Haney and Loma would lose sort of like Taylor did. Not necessarily by KO but attrition from the rounds of him consistently attacking.

I don’t know if Tank can hang with a guy at this level.

Would love to see him fight my boy Navarette. I would have to favor Chavez though.

[YGriffith]

Teofimo and Haney both have it in the bag.

Stevenson might win if he avoids fighting for twelve rounds, idk if we can call it a win.

Loma might lose due to the way he doesn't do **** for 6 rounds, doubt he has the stamina for a full 12 rounds war.

The rest are unproven, including the 30yo prospect.

[Marchegiano]

He could go 80+ before his first loss in any era. when you fight debuts that deep in your career, your career applies regardless of era.

[Brother Mouzone]

Matias gets it done in a WAR .
Shakur , Haney, TEO , Loma are 50/50 IMHO.(all good fights)
He stops Tank .

[elfag]

Loma is too small and gets outworked, if he got outworked by Teo he def gets outworked by chavez.


Haney I would like to see that fight, probably depends a lot on the ref, if the ref makes them work then haney can get outworked, he is huge but has no power so chavez wont be afraid of it. If the ref breaks them up constantly and is in Haney's corner then haney can pop shot and hug chavez to death.

[SilverMiles]

Chavez stops Cordina, O'Shaquie, and Roach. He stops Haney in a one-sided fight that goes into the championship rounds. He beats Stevenson, Navarette, and Davis by a wide decision. He beats Teo and Matias in close fights.

[Malvado]

For the champions at 130, I don't think most of them have the work rate and skill to contend with Chavez Sr. Though Navarrete might make it entertaining as long at it lasts.

At 135:

-Stevenson, has a really mobile feet and a high IQ, but lacks the punching power to deter Chavez's ring cutting and work rate from gradually taking affect. Shakur has a stiff upright stance, his defense relies on him controlling the distance along with angles (something Chavez was known to neutralize often) and only applies slight head movement. Though I might be biased since the only performances I seen a few of his performances with pressure fighters. (Valdez and De Los Santos)

I think Shakur is not a complete fighter despite his impressive attributes (southpaw with an impressive gas tank) and skill. I wouldn't compare him to a prime Pernell Whitaker who had more complete/impeccable defense and solid power to stop his opponents in their tracks. To beat an ATG you most not have any major defiencies.

I think Chavez wins by UD by gradually taking over the rounds with his body work.

-Davis is still unproven despite showcasing high IQ and one punch knockout power, he is a complete fighter but I don't know if he beat an ATG level fighter. He gives away rounds in search of the knockout against B level opposition, something no one can afford at the top level. Won't dismiss Gervonta of being possibly the victor, but I don't know enough to make an opinion.

-Lomachenko has the defense and punch combinations to make it interesting, but I don't think he is going to outwork a prime Chavez in 135-140. Unlike Meldrick Taylor, I don't think he has the attrition to go all 12 rounds when he doesn't physically belong in the same division.

At 140:

-Teofimo isn't consistent, but if laser focused he is a superb counter puncher who fairs well with pressure fighters. However he can be outworked as shown in his fight with Kambosos and Martin (aware that Sandor is also a slick counter puncher). Chavez had already fought a similar style in a southpaw in Hector "Macho" Camacho who had solid footwork and quite impressive handspeed.

I think Chavez wins by UD by dropping Teofimo and leaving him in a worse state than George did. If not by stoppage. It might be quite competitive, just don't think Teofimo can hurt him more often than vice versa.

-Haney at 140 I think is the one who gives Chavez the most trouble despite not being a southpaw, he is hittable in comparison to let's say a Floyd Mayweather or Shakur Stevenson, but he does possess a granite chin coupled with great defense, a significant size/reach advantage and a impressive handspeed with sufficient power to stop Chavez on his tracks. Chavez was phenomenal with his ring cutting (better than let's say Canelo did with Plant) and defense, but he preferred to fight in the pocket most of the time, I don't know how he perform against Haney at midrange. Haney isn't going to be overwhelmed on the ropes like Roger Mayweather.

50/50 I think. If it was the Haney at 135 that fought JoJo Diaz and Jorge Linares it is a different story. But then again he was like 21-23 years old.

-Matias is the most difficult one for me to gauge, he has retired 4-5 undefeated fighters in the stool. He has finished all of his opposition as well having 100% stoppage ratio. However these fighters were mostly unproven and Matias has the worst defense of the fighters listed at 140 in my opinion. His workrate and handspeed isn't something Chavez's hasn't faced before either. I am not sure.

So for me:

-Stevenson comes out with no major injuries but is outworked.

-Davis I am unsure who wins.

-Loma gets outworked.

-Teo is inconsistent throughout plenty of rounds and can be outworked. 60/40 in favor of Chavez.

-Haney's ring generalship and handspeed might make it a 50/50 fight.

-Matias unsure, really impressive what he has done with his opposition. But his defense isn't the best and is not fought a tested champion yet.