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  • #61
    Originally posted by letsgochump View Post

    Sure. Parker has way better feet. Massively better defence. Faster hands. Better head movement. Better ring IQ. Better inside game. Better jab. Better cardio.

    Those are obvious.

    Chin is also likely better as Hrgovic has been taking massive shots to the head already despite young age. Punch power is a question mark but Hrg has faced nobody and the one real guy he fought took his power just fine despite being out of shape. Hrg also only has the right cross so I would say Parker has better power as he has it in both hands, not just one.

    Hrg has two advanges - size and his undisputed rabbit punching skills.
    Power: Hrgovic
    Reach and length: Hrgovic
    Jab: Hrgovic
    Inside game: neither has any inside game to speak of. Certainly not Parker, and certainly not Hrgovic. A wash.
    Boxing pedigree: Hrgovic
    Footwork: To me, Hrgovic has better, more correct footwork, but you might say Parker has faster feet, so debatable
    Cardio: Both tend to gas after about round 6. another wash
    Handspeed: Parker.
    Experience: Parker has more experience in the pro ranks but Hrgovic was a better amateur. Can give this one to Parker if you like.

    As we saw in the Joyce fight, handspeed is completely irrelevant when you're fighting someone bigger with a good jab.
    I also don't think Parker has the power or size of Zhang to be able to deter Hrgovic.

    Don't get me wrong, I like Parker and I'm from New Zealand, but styles make fights and I think this match up strongly favours Hrgovic.

    I actually think Parker would do better against Zhang (who I believe beat Hrgovic). Again, styles make fights.
    Last edited by keith_head; 01-11-2024, 07:15 PM.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by keith_head View Post

      Power: Hrgovic
      Reach and length: Hrgovic
      Jab: Hrgovic
      Inside game: neither has any inside game to speak of. Certainly not Parker, and certainly not Hrgovic. A wash.
      Boxing pedigree: Hrgovic
      Footwork: To me, Hrgovic has better, more correct footwork, but you might say Parker has faster feet, so debatable
      Cardio: Both tend to gas after about round 6. another wash
      Handspeed: Parker.
      Experience: Parker has more experience in the pro ranks but Hrgovic was a better amateur. Can give this one to Parker if you like.

      As we saw in the Joyce fight, handspeed is completely irrelevant when you're fighting someone bigger with a good jab.
      I also don't think Parker has the power or size of Zhang to be able to deter Hrgovic.

      Don't get me wrong, I like Parker and I'm from New Zealand, but styles make fights and I think this match up strongly favours Hrgovic.

      I actually think Parker would do better against Zhang (who I believe beat Hrgovic). Again, styles make fights.
      I think the big difference is Shifu Andy Lee and his ability to motivate and inspire Parker.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by keith_head View Post

        Power: Hrgovic
        Reach and length: Hrgovic
        Jab: Hrgovic
        Inside game: neither has any inside game to speak of. Certainly not Parker, and certainly not Hrgovic. A wash.
        Boxing pedigree: Hrgovic
        Footwork: To me, Hrgovic has better, more correct footwork, but you might say Parker has faster feet, so debatable
        Cardio: Both tend to gas after about round 6. another wash
        Handspeed: Parker.
        Experience: Parker has more experience in the pro ranks but Hrgovic was a better amateur. Can give this one to Parker if you like.

        As we saw in the Joyce fight, handspeed is completely irrelevant when you're fighting someone bigger with a good jab.
        I also don't think Parker has the power or size of Zhang to be able to deter Hrgovic.

        Don't get me wrong, I like Parker and I'm from New Zealand, but styles make fights and I think this match up strongly favours Hrgovic.

        I actually think Parker would do better against Zhang (who I believe beat Hrgovic). Again, styles make fights.
        Inside work: Parker definitely. Don't do meth pls.
        Jab: Parker. Don't do crack either.
        Boxing pedigree: Parker hands down. Prob best to lay off the ketamine too.
        Cardio: Parker easily
        Handspeed: Parker
        Footwork: Parker - Hrgovic is slow and lazy, has basically no lateral movement.
        Experience: Parker
        Boxing IQ: Parker
        Head movement: Parker
        Defence: Parker - Hrg has none.
        Size and reach: Hrgovic
        Power: Probably still Parker as Hrg only has power in the right cross.
        Rabbit punching: Hrgovic

        What we (who understand boxing) saw in the Joyce fight, size doesn't help if you're slower. The only thing that saved Joyce was his chin. Parker landed massive on him all night. Can Hrg take the same punishment? Probably not. He bought his own hype and never bothered to learn any defence. He has to eat leather against all serious opposition. He saw this against Zhang, that's why he's beating up complete chumps since that fight. Not only is he going to feel frustration bcs he has to take punches to face for 10-12 rounds but also he has to face the fact he is an incredible limited boxer.

        Hrg should have 2 losses by DQ and one by TKO against Zhang as he turned his back. The only real fighter he has face was Zhang and he looked very limited and vulnerable. He took big shots from Eric The Beast Molina and Ahmad Ahmatovic as well. Styles make fights and the only style that Hrgovic has looked good against is: taxi driver.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by letsgochump View Post

          Inside work: Parker definitely. Don't do meth pls.
          Jab: Parker. Don't do crack either.
          Boxing pedigree: Parker hands down. Prob best to lay off the ketamine too.
          Cardio: Parker easily
          Handspeed: Parker
          Footwork: Parker - Hrgovic is slow and lazy, has basically no lateral movement.
          Experience: Parker
          Boxing IQ: Parker
          Head movement: Parker
          Defence: Parker - Hrg has none.
          Size and reach: Hrgovic
          Power: Probably still Parker as Hrg only has power in the right cross.
          Rabbit punching: Hrgovic

          What we (who understand boxing) saw in the Joyce fight, size doesn't help if you're slower. The only thing that saved Joyce was his chin. Parker landed massive on him all night. Can Hrg take the same punishment? Probably not. He bought his own hype and never bothered to learn any defence. He has to eat leather against all serious opposition. He saw this against Zhang, that's why he's beating up complete chumps since that fight. Not only is he going to feel frustration bcs he has to take punches to face for 10-12 rounds but also he has to face the fact he is an incredible limited boxer.

          Hrg should have 2 losses by DQ and one by TKO against Zhang as he turned his back. The only real fighter he has face was Zhang and he looked very limited and vulnerable. He took big shots from Eric The Beast Molina and Ahmad Ahmatovic as well. Styles make fights and the only style that Hrgovic has looked good against is: taxi driver.
          Listen, you simply do not like Hrgovic and what ever he does you will not like him.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by James View Post

            Listen, you simply do not like Hrgovic and what ever he does you will not like him.
            It's got nothing to do with liking. I don't like or dislike him. I just think he isn't the guy some people like to imagine he is. He has no defence and that means he is gonna be a wreck fairly soon. Shades of Kownacki.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Atypicalbrit View Post

              Filip doesn't want to take any risks
              You know Parker rejected the IBF elimination bout in 2022 against him right ? You can’t force guys to fight you so if anything it’s everyone else not taking the risks , they must be giving Parker a lot of money bc that’s what he complains about usually ? Money comes with success these guys today won’t take risks like Hrgovic only Zhang stepped up because he had nothing to lose . Parker’s win over Wilder gets him maybe what he’s worth now ? But Parker’s resume prior to that wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire .
              Last edited by juggernaut666; 01-12-2024, 05:48 AM.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by letsgochump View Post

                It's got nothing to do with liking. I don't like or dislike him. I just think he isn't the guy some people like to imagine he is. He has no defence and that means he is gonna be a wreck fairly soon. Shades of Kownacki.
                Ok, he'll be back in the ring soon so we'll see. I think he is real deal and ready to fight anyone and make them suffer.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by juggernaut666 View Post

                  You know Parker rejected the IBF elimination bout in 2022 against him right ? You can’t force guys to fight you so if anything it’s everyone else not taking the risks , they must be giving Parker a lot of money bc that’s what he complains about usually ? Money comes with success these guys today won’t take risks like Hrgovic only Zhang stepped up because he had nothing to lose . Parker’s win over Wilder gets him maybe what he’s worth now ? But Parker’s resume prior to that wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire .
                  No one gives 2 sh.!ts about the trash IBF belt, paying for their rankings or getting stripped of it.

                  Hrgovic is a placemat as mando no one, not even A-Side Joshy wants to fight not because they're scared of him but because the IBF is a joke not worth fighting for.

                  Opetaia is laughing all the way to the bank at their expense.

                  Parker is the only fighter risking anything to prove he's the best by fighting the best and win, lose or draw living with the consequences.
                  Last edited by pollywog; 01-12-2024, 12:25 PM. Reason: Off topic

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by letsgochump View Post

                    It's got nothing to do with liking. I don't like or dislike him. I just think he isn't the guy some people like to imagine he is. He has no defence and that means he is gonna be a wreck fairly soon. Shades of Kownacki.
                    I agree. Hrgovic loses badly to more skilled fighters. I think Parker, Kabayel , Usyk all beat him easily. Joshua also probably.

                    I would give Hrgovic a chance to beat Wilder, Zhang in a rematch, Joyce. Styles make fights.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by James View Post

                      ZZ never asked for rematch, he want to fight only big names and they do not want to fight him. Hrgovic said that he want rematch because of comments like your to prove all you wrong.
                      He didn't prove anyone wrong in that first robbery. What would he do better? Be less slow, telegraphed and predictable?

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