Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Wants To Be in Massive Fights, Win a Title, Face Fury or Usyk Trilogy

[hhh1200]

The best outcome for the division - Fury beats Usyk x 2. AJ beats some combo of Ngan, Zhang or Hrgo.

AJ vs Fury in early 2025 in Wembley.

AJ fulfills his Lennox and Vlad comeback 2.0

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joshua just beat Wallin, who was N.8-10 at best. Some logic, Eddie. Why would Usyk give him a rematch?

If Joshua can beat Zhang, than it is a different story.

[pollywog]

The best outcome for the division - Fury beats Usyk x 2. AJ beats some combo of Ngan, Zhang or Hrgo.

AJ vs Fury in early 2025 in Wembley.

AJ fulfills his Lennox and Vlad comeback 2.0

Why is that the best outcome for the division ?

[Idunnoshet]

Why is that the best outcome for the division ?

It's not.
Thats the best outcome for " AJ Fans ".

[PRINCEKOOL]

Zhang is a boss fight, he is the type of fight? The current two Champions should be fighting.

But the way things are looking? It seems like Anthony Joshua once again, just like he did with Wladimir Kiltschko.

Joshua may have to fight off Tyson Fury's nearest competition for him 'That is precisely what Joshua did back in 2017 vs Kiltschko'.

Joshua fought the version of Kiltschko who Fury should of fought in their scheduled rematch 'But Fury did not follow through with the fight unfortunately due to his circumstance'.

In terms of match making, and reasonable fights where Joshua is actually going to gain something 'Other than a win, then surely anyone can see that Hrgovic is Joshua next best fight to make?'.

But in terms of putting pressure on the two Champions, especially Tyson Fury 'Then Team Joshua could pursue the Zhang fight'.

Hardcore Fury fans and dictators of Joshua will try their best to discredit those two opponents, but even the general public are aware 'That Zhang is a dangerous fighter, somebody other top Heavyweights do not talk about accept Team Joshua'.

Note: I have been sensing for sometime, that if Fury is to beat Usyk 'I can envision Fury refusing to fight Joshua'. Deep down, I can even sense that hardcore Fury fans don't really want Fury to fight Joshua anymore, they understand that stylistically it is a difficult fight.

People only need to think back to when Fury fought Whyte 'They were in mass extremely apprehensive,and celebrated as if that fight was a all-time great win for Fury'.

I theorized this a long time ago 'The competition between Fury, Usyk, Wilder, and Joshua' is a competition to see who will be the last man standing of this era. In that sort of competition, the dynamic is all about the fighter's long game. Out of the top-4 Heavy weights, when you analyse their traits? In terms of their character and work ethic outside the ring 'This type competition, is were Joshua and Usyk throughout their career have excelled'.

Anthony Joshua has a near psychopathic work ethic, he obsessive and very analytical 'Those traits will benefit his long game in the sport. Joshua is not a spontaneous fighter or character, he does not decide to do things on a on a whim. Joshua is systematic in his approach and attack on the sport'. Joshua has a innate objective, and we all know? That he will do all that he can, he will leave no stone upturned in order to pursue this objective 'A complete systematic attack'.

Tyson Fury is nothing like this 'I am only stating these things from observations and the fighters feats which they have achieved'.

David Price once told Kash Ali in response to being mocked during a fight build up 'If you would of experienced what I have experienced in boxing, then I don't think you would still be sitting here'.

I am not so sure, that if Tyson Fury had experienced inside the boxing ring 'What Joshua has'. Then I am not so sure Fury would still be in the game.

Nobody knows how Fury would react to a loss 'Were as with Joshua, we know how he will react. He attempts to get some get back, and avenge that loss immediately. Joshua won his rematch vs Ruiz Junior II, and although he did not beat Usyk in their rematch? Joshua effort was greatly improved'.

And I can sense it now, I understand how Hardcore Fury fans create narratives 'I understand why they do these things'. I can detect the start of a new narrative is being created for Tyson Fury? In anticipation of the event that he beats Usyk'.

That narrative is 'That Fury will have no obligation to fight Anthony Joshua'.

Note: Hardcore Fury fans and Joshua's dictators are starting to become aware, that the tectonic plates of this Heavyweight era of altering their position. There are people who work in certain professions in the world where, they have the ability to think into the future. Casual boxing fans and I would say? Even hardcore boxing fans that don't really analyse things, pretty much live and debate things in the moment 'They are really only ever debating from the the vantage point of the moment'.

Those people will most of the time, just constantly say cliche things 'And they become extremely upset when you challenge those beliefs'. These people also switch up real quick? Whether this be with their loyalty to fighters, and even their own principles'.

Right now as we speak? Hardcore Fury fans are becoming aware that something is quite not right 'But they cannot quite express their concerns'.

In the aftermath of Joshua vs Usyk II. Tyson Fury as a Champion, was pretty much at the peak of his powers 'In terms of his influence over the narrative in the sport, and his approval rating with the general public'.

Anthony Joshua in the aftermath of his loss to Usyk II, was at his most vulnerable 'Both within himself as a fighter. And even his standing with the general public'.

Tyson Fury offered Anthony Joshua a opportunity to fight for the WBC Heavyweight Championship of the World 'Men who are honest with themselves, they knew that this was a opportunist move by Tyson Fury. Fury was attempting to take advantage of Joshua's then perceived vulnerability'.

Although this was a opportunist move by Fury, it was a extremely smart move 'In terms of the timing and how the then general public would perceive the offer'.

People need to understand something about Tyson Fury 'Fury is a extremely intelligence man sociopolitical. This is a big part of The Riddler's game'.

Joshua move after being made a fight offer in my opinion, was surprisingly not anticipated by Tyson Fury. I don't think Fury expected Joshua to immediately accept Fury's 60/40 offer, and the opportunity to fight in December 'But that is what Joshua did'.

Fury at this point in the proceedings, in my opinion still had the center of the ring 'Fury still had track position, he still strategically was in the best position on the battle ground'.

But whatever reason? Fury from my observation started making mistakes 'Fury could of made it so, that Joshua could not really get out of fight. Due to the pressure from the general public, or by just being way more reasonable and professional with Team Joshua during the negotiations'.

Instead of this approach, Tyson Fury completely sabotaged the fight 'People try their best to deny this, but that is exactly what happened'.

Fury came away from that saga with a decreased approval rating from the general public, and he also passed over the opportunity to fight Joshua 'When Joshua was at his most vulnerably, and Fury himself having good momentum in his career. The timing of that fight would of been classic Tyson Fury, the timing of his biggest fights have always been made at the right time for him. Fury has also tactically avoided fights, were the timing was not so great i.e David Price and Anthony Joshua in 2018/2019'.

Tyson Fury then early the next year in 2023, attempted to run the same opportunist game on Oleksandr Usyk 'Fury was claiming that he was retired, and then suddenly came out of retirement and made Usyk a fight offer. The date of the fight was for April 29th, and the fight offer was made 6 weeks out from this fight date'.

Video's started appearing online starring Tyson Fury, around mid March time 'Were Fury was calling out Usyk, and offering to fight him on April 29th'.

This situation was clearly extremely unprofessional, for such a mega fight 'Neither fighter would be able to properly devise and strategist a training camp. Well Oeksandr Usyk certainly would not be able to, because he was the fighter sitting around back waiting on Tyson Fury. Fury could of been training in secret full well knowing when and were his next fight would be.

As you all know? Tyson Fury also sabotaged that fight, because Usyk just like Joshua accepted the fight offers from Tyson Fury 'Including the highly disrespectful 70/30 fight split'.

It is since those two saga's, that the environment within the Heavyweight Division began to shift. And the competition between the Top-4 Heavyweights, developed into a competition of 'Who is going to be the last man standing of this era'. In that sort of competition, major emphasis will be put upon each fighters long game in this drawn out battle.

I have theorized that in that sort of battle, the competition may move back towards Usyk and Joshua primarily. Initially I also thought Wilder's traits as a fighter may benefit him in this sort of battle, but it is looking like potentially? That his positioning within this competition has just taken a major hit due to his loss vs Parker.

Tyson Fury theoretically really should of already of fought and beaten both Joshua and Usyk 'Fury in my opinion, could of fought both of those fighters at better times for himself'.

'We have seen Wilder lose to Parker, and we have even seen Fury get beaten up and decked by Ngannou in a fight which many people believed Fury lost'.

In comparison Anthony Joshua has fought three times in one year. Joshua won 90-95% of the rounds vs Franklin, and won the fight. Joshua won 90-95% vs Helenous and knocked him out. Joshua won 100% of the rounds vs Wallin and forced the stoppage 'Anthony Joshua is building back momentum'.

Oleksandr Usyk fought Dubois, who stylistically was a difficult fight for Usyk 'If Usyk would of fought Dubois for his first fight at Heavyweight, the likely hood is that the fight would of went the full 12 rounds'.

Oleksandr Usyk won 90-95% of the rounds vs Dubois and knocked him out with a Jab 'Dubois fought very well in my opinion, Usyk has to work to win the rounds. The conclusion of the fight, was that Usyk knocked Dubois out with a Jab'.

Tyson Fury is fighting Oleksandr Usyk next, YES the match up is a much more mega event compared to when it originally should of happened 'But in terms of the timing of the fight for Fury? I don't think it is optimal. This is not like when Fury fought Wladimir Kiltschko, or when he refused to rematch Wilder immediately instead decided to go away and fight domestic level fighters.

Tyson Fury in my opinion has kind of been forced into this fight vs Usyk 'The timing of the fight, not really playing into Fury's strengths. But to Fury's credit and as many people have observed? Tyson Fury will take on fights, when they come to this point. Fury does not back away, when he cannot really get away from a fight he will take the fight'.

Fury's hardcore fans in my opinion, right now in 2024 from observation are starting to became self aware that Fury has made tactical mistakes 'In this battle between the top-4 fighters' They are all starting to become extremely apprehensive etc.











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[diarraisagod]

Fury vs Usyk happens and both should retire afterwards. The winner has 0 boxing related reason to face AJ as it adds nothing to their legacy. Especially Usyk. Why would a trilogy even be an option for someone who lost clearly twice already? Aj’s lane is with the Wilders, Parkers, Ruiz’s , as the “also rans” during this weak era of heavyweights.

If Fury wins and retires before fighting AJ then it would tarnish his legacy.

Abroad people might not care but that's a HUGE fight in the UK. Why would he want to avoid a big name, former unified champion who's put himself back in contention? It might not be his top win if he got through AJ (that would be Klitschko still) but if he didn't even fight him people would forever ask Fury about the fight that didn't happen.

It just doesn't make sense to waltz into the sunset without having that fight unless you're afraid.

I don't think he's afraid and if he handles his business with Usyk and AJ keeps winning that fight happens.

[Idunnoshet]

If Fury wins and retires before fighting AJ then it would tarnish his legacy.

Abroad people might not care but that's a HUGE fight in the UK. Why would he want to avoid a big name, former unified champion who's put himself back in contention? It might not be his top win if he got through AJ (that would be Klitschko still) but if he didn't even fight him people would forever ask Fury about the fight that didn't happen.

It just doesn't make sense to waltz into the sunset without having that fight unless you're afraid.

I don't think he's afraid and if he handles his business with Usyk and AJ keeps winning that fight happens.

Help me understand how Fury is " afraid " to fight AJ when he's already signed to fight the guy who beat AJ Twice ?

[Jab jab boom]

If Fury wins and retires before fighting AJ then it would tarnish his legacy.

Abroad people might not care but that's a HUGE fight in the UK. Why would he want to avoid a big name, former unified champion who's put himself back in contention? It might not be his top win if he got through AJ (that would be Klitschko still) but if he didn't even fight him people would forever ask Fury about the fight that didn't happen.

It just doesn't make sense to waltz into the sunset without having that fight unless you're afraid.

I don't think he's afraid and if he handles his business with Usyk and AJ keeps winning that fight happens.

It might be big in the uk but it certainly wouldn’t “tarnish” his legacy if they didn’t fight as he’d be beating a guy who beat AJ twice. The legacy tarnishing is between AJ and Wilder as they never faced each other when the fight mattered. Now they’re no longer what they were perceived to be.

[diarraisagod]

Help me understand how Fury is " afraid " to fight AJ when he's already signed to fight the guy who beat AJ Twice ?

I said I didn't think he was afraid of him which is why I believe it will happen. But there's no reason for that fight not to happen if both keep winning.

[ramiller59]

He ain't ready for ****. . Eddie Hearn is flapping his gums again and talking all this **** that we know isn't going to happen