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  • THROWBACK: Floyd Patterson Talks About Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) - Published Online 10 Years After Patterson's Death

    https://www.esquire.com/sports/a4551...-cassius-clay/

    And one of the best quotes (which real fans will resonate with) - but I stress, the WHOLE article (long) is worth the read:

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    So I'm all for boxing, although I admit that the existence of boxing says something about our society and the violence that it needs. When a fighter kills in the ring he does not go to jail; instead he gains a strange new respect from some people, maybe just bloodthirsty people, but this respect is something like that given to a war hero who has killed many men in battle, and when a fighter becomes a killer the boxing promoters know that more people will come out to watch him fight the next time. So violence and hate are part of the prizefighter's world, Clay's world and mine, although we do not hate one another, nor do I hate Liston or Ingemar Johansson or any other opponent, and I am sure the feeling is the same with them. We fight but we do not really hate down deep, although we try to pretend we hate. Sometimes it is all very confusing, we become very mixed up. And we are afraid.

    We are not afraid of getting hurt but we are afraid of losing. Losing in the ring is like losing nowhere else. People who lose in business—get fired from their job, or lose a client, or "get kicked upstairs"—can still go down with some dignity and they might also blame their defeat on an ungrateful employer or on the unfair competition. But a prizefighter who gets knocked out or is badly outclassed suffers in a way he will never forget. He is beaten under the bright lights in front of thousands of witnesses who curse him and spit at him, and he knows that he is being watched, too, by many thousands more on television and in the movies, and he knows that the tax agents will soon visit him—they always try to get their share before he winds up flat broke—and the fighter cannot shift the blame for his defeat on his trainers or managers or anybody else, although if he won you can be sure that the trainers and managers would be taking bows.

    Last edited by Combat Talk Radio; 12-30-2023, 07:25 PM.
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  • #2
    if ali was doing his thing today i wonder would he be hated or loved

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Smash View Post
      if ali was doing his thing today i wonder would he be hated or loved
      He’d be canceled and no media outlet would feature him.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Smash View Post
        if ali was doing his thing today i wonder would he be hated or loved
        100% hated. Imagine ANY boxer today saying they were "the greatest" early in their career before they were even a top ten guy let alone a belt guy. Hell I think Ali was pretty hated his whole career (& esp in his early days) by some.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas View Post

          100% hated. Imagine ANY boxer today saying they were "the greatest" early in their career before they were even a top ten guy let alone a belt guy. Hell I think Ali was pretty hated his whole career (& esp in his early days) by some.
          The draft ducking didn’t help matters even though he wasn’t wrong.

          There are messages around the Amish and how they refuse help from the government because they’re worried that accepting might open the door for them to force people into drafts during wartimes.

          It made me think: how would the modern snowflake society handle being drafted under Selective Service, where you literally can’t refuse lest you be thrown into prison?

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          • #6
            he managed to win pretty much everybody around tho i think as he went through his career, i presume through his performances in the ring & attitudes to him may have even been harsher in his time too

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            • #7
              Ali is maybe the greatest black man to ever live



              remember when those pompous white reporters would tell him to shut his mouth to his face and he didn’t buck. He told them he would whoop their asses right to their face. It was beautiful.



              ain’t no Vietcong called me a n agger


              he was hated so much at that time for saying that but now we look at it like it was gospel. Dude was so right and ahead of his time. He was more brave for not going and standing up to the elites.
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