Comments Thread For: Morrell: Benavidez-Andrade Fight Was Bull****! Andrade An Old Man, Really Not A 168-Pounder

[Eff Pandas]

I agreed with most of what you wrote. The problem with mcbilli is his management, do you think his people would sign up to fight DMJ? And you mentioned ryder, do you remember a couple of years ago he was supposed to fight the Cuban and hearns took him out Minnesota in a hurry, telling everyone ryder was going to fight bivol. In any case the more he fights the bettet chance he would have, fighting no hopers wouldn't do anything for him and the fans would be in his case. He has fought 3 undefeated fighters one Olympian and now a strong full fledged SMW with a very good record, and he ain't getting any credit and is only his 10th fight.

Idk/idr all the issues with making specific fights in the past so I won't delve into all that, but there is still a huge quality opp gap between Sena, who is arguably David M's best opp, & David B & Canelo.

A ton of ppl are talking about & hyping David M. Hes a top 5 guy in any indie ranking I respect. Some think he beats David B & Canelo if they were to fight now. I think he gets a ton of credit. To me it feels more like hes overrated than underrated by hardcore fans. Its obviously impressive the trajectory hes on in a short number of fights, but lets not overhype it too much is all I'm saying & realize there is still a big gap between the guys he's beaten & the 2 guys above him.

[Chavmex40]

Another loud mouth mofo! Who have you beaten of the elite group? Plant, Boo Boo or Now Big Charlo! Benavidez is taking the top completion while you fight B level fighters! STFUMOFO!

[garfios]

Andrade is a better win than any one on Morrell’s resume.

And I bet you that Aidos would have whoop andrade's a$$.

[garfios]

Another loud mouth mofo! Who have you beaten of the elite group? Plant, Boo Boo or Now Big Charlo! Benavidez is taking the top completion while you fight B level fighters! STFUMOFO!

Now andrade and plant are elite, you have a very low standards.

[garfios]

Idk/idr all the issues with making specific fights in the past so I won't delve into all that, but there is still a huge quality opp gap between Sena, who is arguably David M's best opp, & David B & Canelo.

A ton of ppl are talking about & hyping David M. Hes a top 5 guy in any indie ranking I respect. Some think he beats David B & Canelo if they were to fight now. I think he gets a ton of credit. To me it feels more like hes overrated than underrated by hardcore fans. Its obviously impressive the trajectory hes on in a short number of fights, but lets not overhype it too much is all I'm saying & realize there is still a big gap between the guys he's beaten & the 2 guys above him.

I'm with you that there's a gap, we are not going to know how big is that gap until they fight. I wasn't referring to you when I wrote that he's not getting credit for the opposition he has faced in 9 fights, to me is impressive considering how this generation of fighters guard their 0. You know your boxing and the process to get to the next level, me too but sometimes you have fighters that are rushed and seems to me DMJ is one of those on the fast track. You have mention mbilli a few times, would you not consider that if he faces Morrell Jr now that he would be rushing? After all he is a prospect still, very seldom do you see two young highly touted fighters facing each other soo soon in their career's. Most of the time they take a parallel path and meet later around. By no means I'm suggesting they should marinate the fight, I just want to know your opinion.

[Ropeydope]

Since you're mentioning ranks, which I don't believe in, he fought the numver 1&2 WBA ranked fighters. You're talking about they're doing a better job with mbilli, I don't see it, just to compare the first 9 fights the french opponents were 89-59 vs 160-19 Morrell Jr, his next 10 look better 194-30, and of course we have to wait for Morrell next fights.

It make sense that you don’t believe in ranking if you’re so all in on Morell. Like I said he passes the eye test, but I’ve been in boxing for decades and only iron sharpens iron. He has 9 fights against top 200 ranked opponents and he’s talking like he’s accomplished something in the sport. Whatever, all the best to him. I’ll reserve judgement until he actually lands a proper opponent.

[Eff Pandas]

I'm with you that there's a gap, we are not going to know how big is that gap until they fight. I wasn't referring to you when I wrote that he's not getting credit for the opposition he has faced in 9 fights, to me is impressive considering how this generation of fighters guard their 0. You know your boxing and the process to get to the next level, me too but sometimes you have fighters that are rushed and seems to me DMJ is one of those on the fast track. You have mention mbilli a few times, would you not consider that if he faces Morrell Jr now that he would be rushing? After all he is a prospect still, very seldom do you see two young highly touted fighters facing each other soo soon in their career's. Most of the time they take a parallel path and meet later around. By no means I'm suggesting they should marinate the fight, I just want to know your opinion.

I feel like its less of a thing nowadays with talented guys in more cases now than in the time I've been a fan. Loma was kinda the primary guy in this era, but I feel there are more guys taking bigger risks sooner now. That said its still a rare thing, but it feels more common when a guy has big talent like David M. In the past outside of Floyd or Tyson (2yrs to a belt) & a handful of others almost everyone was on a 4-5 year, 20-30 bout journey to a belt. And most of them that had upside wouldn't be in with a live opp til about a year before their ETA date & sometimes their first live opp was in the belt fight.

Some rate Mbilli higher than David M, I wouldn't but some do. To me a fight like David M vs Mbilli makes the most sense for both right now. To me they are the top two hyped, but largely unproven at the world class opp level with world class level talent guys at 168. In a deeper division, like 135 where Keyshawn vs Andy or Floyd isn't gonna make a lot of sense unless its for a belt, it'd make sense to not fight, but 168 is a lean division so them fighting puts the winner up a lot & would make that guy the undebatable #3 guy.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Idk/idr all the issues with making specific fights in the past so I won't delve into all that, but there is still a huge quality opp gap between Sena, who is arguably David M's best opp, & David B & Canelo.

A ton of ppl are talking about & hyping David M. Hes a top 5 guy in any indie ranking I respect. Some think he beats David B & Canelo if they were to fight now. I think he gets a ton of credit. To me it feels more like hes overrated than underrated by hardcore fans. Its obviously impressive the trajectory hes on in a short number of fights, but lets not overhype it too much is all I'm saying & realize there is still a big gap between the guys he's beaten & the 2 guys above him.

I was just looking at Agbeko’s record. Close examination doesn’t hold up. I had a better feeling about Espinoza going into the Ramirez fight — a fight where he pulled a big upset. I don’t have such concerns tonight. I think Morrell handles business and scores the KO.

[Eff Pandas]

Now andrade and plant are elite, you have a very low standards.

I feel like everyone needs to put what they define terms as like woke ppl got their pronouns in their profile lol. I don't even use the term "elite" but it seems like different ppl mean different things when they use it & it depends what you mean if Andrade & Plant would be in that for me.

For me I put fighters in a few main categories.

#1 guy: the best guy at the weight, can have 0, 1, 2, 3 or all 4 belts
belt holder: anyone with a top 4 group belt
top ten: anyone in the indie top 10
fringe contender: anyone ranked by a top 4 group that isn't in the indie top 10

I'd argue however you cut it David B has fought waaaaaaaaaaaay better guys than David M. I feel like cuz David M has been moved fast ppl are giving him extra credit for fighting guys better than a 9 fight guy would usually fight without thinking these opps aren't past the fringe level by my breakdown of categories. David B on the other hand has fought a few top ten guys now & a lot of fringe guys.

[CubanGuyNYC]

It make sense that you don’t believe in ranking if you’re so all in on Morell. Like I said he passes the eye test, but I’ve been in boxing for decades and only iron sharpens iron. He has 9 fights against top 200 ranked opponents and he’s talking like he’s accomplished something in the sport. Whatever, all the best to him. I’ll reserve judgement until he actually lands a proper opponent.

I’ve been high on Morrell since his fourth fight. He looks really good. But there’s no doubt; we’ve seen this before. No one can tell exactly how good a fighter is until he faces recognized quality. I’m looking forward to that day.