The Crawford excuses are hilarious man.

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  • dan-b
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    #31
    Originally posted by MusoMeanderings
    Let's go over Crawford's last 10 wins.

    1. Errol Spence: weight drained, after 2 car accidents, often spotted drunk.
    2. David Avanesyan: 3L who was picked as a light touch on a strange show where Bud was allowed to KO the guy with torn gloves.
    3. Porter: a solid win. However, he took a beating from Spence before that and was ready to retire.
    4. Kell Brook: a guy with damaged face from two bad beatings who couldn't take a punch by that time.
    5. Egidijus Kavaliauskas: an unknown guy who got KOd.
    6. Amir Khan: a chinny fighter who quit on a leg shot near the end of his career.
    7. Jose Benavidez Jr: a guy with one leg (literally).
    8. Jeff Horn: he only got this fight because he beat Pac on a hometown gift.
    9. Julius Indongo: an unknown light puncher who somehow destroyed a (old, hometown) champion he was supposed to lose to in Moscow.
    10. Felix Diaz: a good win.

    So, 2 good wins in last 10 fights.

    Am I being objective?

    It's not like Bud didn't do what he did. It's just the way he did it was underwhelming. He always seemed to be lucky with opponents when it came to title fights.
    One can play this discrediting game with virtually every fighter over the last 30 years if one so is so inclined. A better question then is to ask people to list fighters who they think fought all the best fighters at exactly the right time, from a sporting perspective. That will be a short list.

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      #32
      Originally posted by dan-b

      One can play this discrediting game with virtually every fighter over the last 30 years if one so is so inclined. A better question then is to ask people to list fighters who they think fought all the best fighters at exactly the right time, from a sporting perspective. That will be a short list.
      No they can't. Nobody fought everybody at 100% all of the time. But 20% of decent wins is a bad look.

      50-60% and we are talking greatness.

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        #33
        Originally posted by joesaiditstrue

        what's even more crazy is he's either stopped or dominated every single opponent he's faced. who else has done that
        Roy Jones Jr. until he got old.
        And Roy's domination was way stronger than Bud's.

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          #34
          Originally posted by MusoMeanderings

          No they can't. Nobody fought everybody at 100% all of the time. But 20% of decent wins is a bad look.

          50-60% and we are talking greatness.
          Who exactly should Crawford have fought though?

          Are we really pretending Thurman, Danny Garcia are legit threats?

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            #35
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT

            Who exactly should Crawford have fought though?

            Are we really pretending Thurman, Danny Garcia are legit threats?
            I don't know. He was fighting the best fighters available. Too bad they were no good.

            So, from statistical viewpoint, he's great.

            Bur how would he deal with a truly great fighter at 100% against him? We won't ever know.

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              #36
              Originally posted by hugh grant

              I know, i meant John Ruiz. RJJ beating the average John Ruiz is a great win.
              I actually wouldn’t call it a great win
              John was the easiest heavyweight at the time to beat and was very beatable
              RJJ knew that and so did most of the fans
              He never did fight another heavyweight so that says a lot about his crusade to the division

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                #37
                Originally posted by MusoMeanderings

                I don't know. He was fighting the best fighters available. Too bad they were no good.

                So, from statistical viewpoint, he's great.

                Bur how would he deal with a truly great fighter at 100% against him? We won't ever know.
                Spence is an elite fighter IMO. He was undefeated, unified champion, coming off an impressive win/performance against Ugas.

                Only thing you could hold against him is he was inactive as he hadn’t fought in over 12 months.

                People will say he was weight drained but he’s always struggled to make 147. As I mentioned before it’s like saying Hearns was drained against Leonard. They’re big guys trying to make 147, it is what it is.

                Then they’ll bring up the crash but he’d fought twice since and looked fine comfortably out-boxing Garcia and destroying Ugas.

                I still think Spence is an elite fighter too, I just think he’s found his kryptonite in Crawford. I don’t think anybody else from 147-160 does that to Spence.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by MulaKO

                  I actually wouldn’t call it a great win
                  John was the easiest heavyweight at the time to beat and was very beatable
                  RJJ knew that and so did most of the fans
                  He never did fight another heavyweight so that says a lot about his crusade to the division
                  John Ruiz was average. If Lennox Lewis had of beat John Ruiz it would have been a meh type win. But a former middleweight beating him is a different matter. It is a great win. Not the greatest win over of all time, there must even be levels of great. Some are great, great, and some are just great.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by hugh grant

                    John Ruiz was average. If Lennox Lewis had of beat John Ruiz it would have been a meh type win. But a former middleweight beating him is a different matter. It is a great win. Not the greatest win over of all time, there must even be levels of great. Some are great, great, and some are just great.
                    He was already fighting light heavy
                    Not a fa stretch at that point

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bravado

                      It don’t make any sense, like at all. Then again a lot of boxing fans low key are racist and like seeing black men get beat by non blacks. Other than that, I can’t see how Fulton losing to inoue is this miraculous win.
                      That was my su****ion too.

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