Comments Thread For: Anthony Joshua To Use Ben Davison For Fight With Otto Wallin

[Boro]

Here we go, so you think all the toughest men are playing basketball, Rugby and NFL? Come on mate, cut the cliche nonsense.

You did not come up with that conclusion Boro, that has been a narrative which was created so people can 'Discredit the boxers in the sport'.

Is every single era in all other sports better than the last era? Is every single up and coming soccer player the greatest of all time? No, although that is what those sports would like you to believe.

I have just told you, who the premier heavyweights of this era have been 'Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua'.

Note: Boro you are speaking as if, ether you can beat these top heavyweights or? If you know people who have the potential to do so outside the sport 'Stop it with cliche nonsense that you are just repeating on here, that you did not even come up with yourself'.

This era of Heavyweights is not a all time great era, but if they were all such push overs 'Then all these solid Soccer players, Basketball Players, NFL players would all be creating big cross over fights'.

That situation is not happening, because fighting is a actual skill that exist in separation from athletic ability 'They are connected but are not entirely the same thing'.

Boro, I don't rate this Heavyweight era skill for skill very highly. But my main point that I am making is? These are the best Heavyweight fighters in the World, in a Global sport 'Boxing is by far more easily accessibly to participate in than 90% of sports'.

And also Boro mate, some advice for you 'Stop letting these casual sports fans and lemmings run your life. Just in general, stop letting the lemmings of society run your life'.

That advice is in response to you complaining, about boxing in your opinion becoming a sport on the periphery 'People need to stop seeking the validation of people who have no real in-depth passionate interests in anything'.

If you are a fan of boxing, then follow the sport 'Don't be concerned with anyone else' etc.

Who mentioned toughness? it's a redundant point you tried to make there, we could even look at general business.

The average CEO is 6ft+ "big men'' just don't bother with niche sports that don't pay anything.

Especially when you have to get to the absolute pinnacle to actually get paid well, all the other sports you listed pay better without having to reach the pinnacle, average boxers get paid less than road sweepers.

Who mentioned anything about previous eras being better than the current!? I just said the threshold for what makes a "great fight" is lower, you've drawn your own conclusions based on that.

And also who mentioned anything about beating any of the top heavyweights!? Again you're drawing your own conclusions.

But to be fair I would if it wasn't for me damaging my optic nerve irreparably, i'd be fighting professionally years ago and most certainly would if it was a straightener.

As for your other bollocks, no one runs my life son and I'm certainly not getting my opinions from other people and if you think what I've said is "cliche" perhaps whatever you think i've said that is cliche because it rings true.

Just like stereotypes cliches develop overtime and have truth to them, despite yours and other people's dislike of that reality…

And no one is complaining either. I accept the situation in boxing and life for that matter for what it is.

And I'm certainly not seeking validation, if anyone seems like they’re seeking validation of any sort it’s you, your posts are almost always sucking AJ off and down playing Fury.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Who mentioned toughness? it's a redundant point you tried to make there, we could even look at general business.

The average CEO is 6ft+ "big men'' just don't bother with niche sports that don't pay anything.

Especially when you have to get to the absolute pinnacle to actually get paid well, all the other sports you listed pay better without having to reach the pinnacle, average boxers get paid less than road sweepers.

Who mentioned anything about previous eras being better than the current!? I just said the threshold for what makes a "great fight" is lower, you've drawn your own conclusions based on that.

And also who mentioned anything about beating any of the top heavyweights!? Again you're drawing your own conclusions.

But to be fair I would if it wasn't for me damaging my optic nerve irreparably, i'd be fighting professionally years ago and most certainly would if it was a straightener.

As for your other bollocks, no one runs my life son and I'm certainly not getting my opinions from other people and if you think what I've said is "cliche" perhaps whatever you think i've said that is cliche because it rings true.

Just like stereotypes cliches develop overtime and have truth to them, despite yours and other people's dislike of that reality…

And no one is complaining either. I accept the situation in boxing and life for that matter for what it is.

And I'm certainly not seeking validation, if anyone seems like they’re seeking validation of any sort it’s you, your posts are almost always sucking AJ off and down playing Fury.

It is you who is making a redundant point Boro 'It is YOU who is not in touch with reality'. And I don't think you really understand the differences in sports, what it takes to ether be the best or one of the best 'In those contrasting sports'.

Boxing has never been a sport, in the sense you are trying to make it out to be i.e Like Basketball, Soccer, NFL. And the reason why I have mentioned those sports Boro, is because? You see all these people who you are seeking validation from on a daily and weekly basis, these are most likely the sports which they all talk about 'On a superficial level'.

What I am trying to say its? Stop being down about it, stop letting these casual lemmings run your life 'Just because they are not hardcore boxing fans'.

'Those sporting activities, everyone can enjoy. And no matter what people try to do, a violent sport which puts your life in extreme danger is not going to suddenly turn into a leisure activity which everyone can enjoy Boro 'That is reality mate'.

Boxing is not a leisure activity, it has never been a leisure activity historically 'Because it was a way to survive firstly'.

That is the difference between all these sports which secretly you are pining over and Prize fighting.

When you was growing up as a kid, sports such as soccer and basketball are very inclusive. Meaning? Everyone can participate in those sports on some level, no matter what level of ability they have.

You would have kids who were morbidly obese, kids who could hardly run, kids who would be terrified to compete in individual sports 'Those kids would be at ease or more motivated to compete in those sports'.

Boxing, and Prize fighting is a entirely different psychology. And most other individual sports, especially the fundamental Olympic Sports such as Track and Field Athletics, Swimming, gymnastics, Cycling also share this fundamental difference in my opinion.

Kids or adults need a certain level of ability to participate in those sports, to ether achieve any real goals or gain satisfaction. There is no, we all win together and lose together in those sports 'They are fundamentally more brutal than the so called mainstream modernized sports which in your opinion? This is where all the worlds toughest best fighters are at.

All of these sports can be described as niche sports, YOUR trying to use that term as a insult or a mockery 'But really they are niche sports, because only the best can achieve in those sports. Mediocrity, Average, just turning up and participating, or being professional. None of those things are celebrated or rewarded to the same level in comparison to the mainstream predominately team sports.

Note: Boro I am not sure what version of boxing history you know. Boxing has never been a sport which every kid, and adult has participated in. The very nature of boxing is just like Rocky Balboa stated 'Boxing is a metaphor to life'. And what I say is? Boxing is a metaphor to nature. Nature is brutal, sometimes only the best survive and progress. If you are not the best, or one the best 'There is no second division or lower leagues in boxing, there's no sitting on the bench for months on end and still being supported. And this dynamic exist in many others sports, Boxing, Track and Field Athletics, Cycling, Swimming, even Tennis'.

And your point Boro about the average CEO. How many CEO's are there in the world? How people on this forum know a CEO personally? In the town or city where you are from, how many CEO's are there? There's not many Boro.

Do you know why? Because certain professions, and fields which people compete in 'Only reward the best, or people close to the best. Whether this be at professional level or even amateur, this is the case in those sports'.

People who have grown up in life only playing soccer or basketball with their mates, maybe they joined a club level team at some point 'Do not really understand the nature or competitive brutality in opinion of other sports which fundamentally operate with a different modality'.

And in the World of sports, all these sports which people deem as niche, they are deemed as niche sports because they only reward the best or the athletes close to the best. This type of dynamic is what makes those sports prestigious, and gives them merit.

In sports which you are pining over Boro, the so called mainstreams sports 'They reward best, they reward the people close to the best, they reward the average, they reward the mediocrity. That is why in soccer you have the top league, division 1, division 2, division 3 and it goes on and on 'And you also have squad of over 20-30 players, and many of those players may never compete for the first time or very rarely'.

That is just the nature of those sports Boro 'Boxing has never at any point in history been that type of sport. And moving forward in the future? It will be very difficult for it to become that type of sport, due to its fundamental nature'.

And Boro this is really the issue and reality of the situation which you need to understand.

Hopefully you will leave this discussion, understanding the reality of boxing more. Because if you do? That is when you will stop seeking the validation from these casual lemmings of society 'Let them do and be interested in whatever superficially captures them in the moment' etc.

[NoConcoms]

I still don't understand why AJ got rid of Robert Garcia. IMO, AJ looked his absolute best version of himself in the Usyk 2 fight. Yes, he lost, but he took Usyk to the brink. It was a close 7-5 or 8-4 type decision. And most importantly, Garcia got him to be the boss in there. I think any other HW other than Usyk would have had a VERY hard time with AJ that nite. Tyson Fury included.

AJ constantly switching trainers (and yes, I know James is his official teainer.) is not a good look, IMO. It's almost as if he isn't confident in his own team. This is not a good look at all.

The closer this fight comes, the more I see Wallin giving AJ an extremely tough fight. AJ should win, but not by much.

[Boro]

It is you who is making a redundant point Boro 'It is YOU who is not in touch with reality'. And I don't think you really understand the differences in sports, what it takes to ether be the best or one of the best 'In those contrasting sports'.

Boxing has never been a sport, in the sense you are trying to make it out to be i.e Like Basketball, Soccer, NFL. And the reason why I have mentioned those sports Boro, is because? You see all these people who you are seeking validation from on a daily and weekly basis, these are most likely the sports which they all talk about 'On a superficial level'.

What I am trying to say its? Stop being down about it, stop letting these casual lemmings run your life 'Just because they are not hardcore boxing fans'.

'Those sporting activities, everyone can enjoy. And no matter what people try to do, a violent sport which puts your life in extreme danger is not going to suddenly turn into a leisure activity which everyone can enjoy Boro 'That is reality mate'.

Boxing is not a leisure activity, it has never been a leisure activity historically 'Because it was a way to survive firstly'.

That is the difference between all these sports which secretly you are pining over and Prize fighting.

When you was growing up as a kid, sports such as soccer and basketball are very inclusive. Meaning? Everyone can participate in those sports on some level, no matter what level of ability they have.

You would have kids who were morbidly obese, kids who could hardly run, kids who would be terrified to compete in individual sports 'Those kids would be at ease or more motivated to compete in those sports'.

Boxing, and Prize fighting is a entirely different psychology. And most other individual sports, especially the fundamental Olympic Sports such as Track and Field Athletics, Swimming, gymnastics, Cycling also share this fundamental difference in my opinion.

Kids or adults need a certain level of ability to participate in those sports, to ether achieve any real goals or gain satisfaction. There is no, we all win together and lose together in those sports 'They are fundamentally more brutal than the so called mainstream modernized sports which in your opinion? This is where all the worlds toughest best fighters are at.

All of these sports can be described as niche sports, YOUR trying to use that term as a insult or a mockery 'But really they are niche sports, because only the best can achieve in those sports. Mediocrity, Average, just turning up and participating, or being professional. None of those things are celebrated or rewarded to the same level in comparison to the mainstream predominately team sports.

Note: Boro I am not sure what version of boxing history you know. Boxing has never been a sport which every kid, and adult has participated in. The very nature of boxing is just like Rocky Balboa stated 'Boxing is a metaphor to life'. And what I say is? Boxing is a metaphor to nature. Nature is brutal, sometimes only the best survive and progress. If you are not the best, or one the best 'There is no second division or lower leagues in boxing, there's no sitting on the bench for months on end and still being supported. And this dynamic exist in many others sports, Boxing, Track and Field Athletics, Cycling, Swimming, even Tennis'.

And your point Boro about the average CEO. How many CEO's are there in the world? How people on this forum know a CEO personally? In the town or city where you are from, how many CEO's are there? There's not many Boro.

Do you know why? Because certain professions, and fields which people compete in 'Only reward the best, or people close to the best. Whether this be at professional level or even amateur, this is the case in those sports'.

People who have grown up in life only playing soccer or basketball with their mates, maybe they joined a club level team at some point 'Do not really understand the nature or competitive brutality in opinion of other sports which fundamentally operate with a different modality'.

And in the World of sports, all these sports which people deem as niche, they are deemed as niche sports because they only reward the best or the athletes close to the best. This type of dynamic is what makes those sports prestigious, and gives them merit.

In sports which you are pining over Boro, the so called mainstreams sports 'They reward best, they reward the people close to the best, they reward the average, they reward the mediocrity. That is why in soccer you have the top league, division 1, division 2, division 3 and it goes on and on 'And you also have squad of over 20-30 players, and many of those players may never compete for the first time or very rarely'.

That is just the nature of those sports Boro 'Boxing has never at any point in history been that type of sport. And moving forward in the future? It will be very difficult for it to become that type of sport, due to its fundamental nature'.

And Boro this is really the issue and reality of the situation which you need to understand.

Hopefully you will leave this discussion, understanding the reality of boxing more. Because if you do? That is when you will stop seeking the validation from these casual lemmings of society 'Let them do and be interested in whatever superficially captures them in the moment' etc.

You don't need to tell me about the reality of boxing, I'm more than aware of said realities. In fact I can guarantee I'm more aware then you are.

All this waffle about individual sports vs team sports is pointless especially "morbidly obese, kids who could hardly run, kids who would be terrified" shít.

Benavidez was a morbidly obese kid, Andy Ruiz, James Degale so on and so forth and i'd imagine they could barely run due to the load on their knees, it's extremely common in boxing not rare in the slightest, I do wonder if you've ever set foot in a boxing gym.

There are plenty of CEOs in my local area, it's not uncommon there are 50+ CEOs being advertised in my local area alone on Linkedin (within 10 miles) any business with 10+ employers can choose to have a CEO, it's not as prestigious or rare as you think it is...

All you've done with your waffle is prove my point actually, division 1,2,3 whatever in football gets paid better than your average boxer at domestic level and people would prefer the lack of pressure in a team sport therefore it logically follows that more people will choose that "career" path...

You've been arguing points I haven't even made - I never made the assertion "worlds toughest best fighters" are in different sports.

I simply said big men are in different fields rather than a niche sport (stop assigning your own meaning to "niche" and use the literal definition), also you don't have to be "tough" to be a boxer e.g. Mike Tyson is a perfect example of someone who isn't "tough" as soon he wasn't on top and the going got "tough" he capitulated or looked for a way out.

I don't want or need validation from no one. I'm not a woman. Validation doesn't mean anything to me.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You don't need to tell me about the reality of boxing, I'm more than aware of said realities. In fact I can guarantee I'm more aware then you are.

All this waffle about individual sports vs team sports is pointless especially "morbidly obese, kids who could hardly run, kids who would be terrified" shít.

Benavidez was a morbidly obese kid, Andy Ruiz, James Degale so on and so forth and i'd imagine they could barely run due to the load on their knees, it's extremely common in boxing not rare in the slightest, I do wonder if you've ever set foot in a boxing gym.

There are plenty of CEOs in my local area, it's not uncommon there are 50+ CEOs being advertised in my local area alone on Linkedin (within 10 miles) any business with 10+ employers can choose to have a CEO, it's not as prestigious or rare as you think it is...

All you've done with your waffle is prove my point actually, division 1,2,3 whatever in football gets paid better than your average boxer at domestic level and people would prefer the lack of pressure in a team sport therefore it logically follows that more people will choose that "career" path...

You've been arguing points I haven't even made - I never made the assertion "worlds toughest best fighters" are in different sports.

I simply said big men are in different fields rather than a niche sport (stop assigning your own meaning to "niche" and use the literal definition), also you don't have to be "tough" to be a boxer e.g. Mike Tyson is a perfect example of someone who isn't "tough" as soon he wasn't on top and the going got "tough" he capitulated or looked for a way out.

I don't want or need validation from no one. I'm not a woman. Validation doesn't mean anything to me.

You are trying to catch me out 'But you are making mistakes'.

Maybe Benavidez was morbidly obese as a kid, Andy Ruiz Junior, but I am not so sure about James Degale.

Irrespective of the total accuracy of your observations, what does this prove? It proves that being able to fight, is a skill which exist separate from athletic ability 'It is related but, they are not entirely synonymous. I made this point early on within this thread'.

I made this point in response to you saying 'Blah blah, all the best most toughest men are all doing other sports' What like basketball and NFL? You came up in this thread spouting a cliche observation which was not created by you to discredit this generation of boxers.

This debate does not really have a clear right or wrong, I will admit that. But? Even still I believe, I have made the more valid points 'Which are reflected in the reality of sports and society'.

You in comparison have been reduced to insulting certain people, subjectively without much evidence claiming that Mike Tyson a all-time great Heavyweight Champion was not tough and so on. If you know Mike Tyson's story, stating he is not tough is ridiculous.

But you are trying to tell me, that a kid or adult who actively goes out of there way to participate in a activity which does not really have the same jeopardy of boxing 'Those people are tougher than today's boxers? Those are all the big men, that are doing all those other sports. And that is why boxing is not experiencing a all-time great era'.

You are trying to tell me, that those kids are tougher than Mike Tyson? Those same kids who pursue those sports, get wrapped in cotton wool metaphorically 'Anybody with any respect for the sport of boxing, can see that this opinion of yours is nonsense'.

Now I am not claiming that those kids or adults don't have a level of toughness, but to participate in certain sports and professions 'You quite simply need a different kind of character in life'.

All I told you in this thread, was to stop seeking the validation from people who? Don't really have any in-depth passions in life, people may be into sports but superficially 'You are seeking their validation, if you was not? Then you would not be complaining over boxing being a niche sport'.

Boxing has always been a niche sport, it has always only rewarded the best or people close to the best 'And many sports historically throughout history and even still today operate in this manner'.

And to participate and pursue those sports as a kid or adult 'At Amateur level or professional, you need to be a different type of person'.

Boro understand the nature of man 'In certain sports, the average, the mediocre have never been rewarded'.

The only sports that do not operate in this manner are the sports which, you would deem as mainstream 'The sports which you have pointed out, most people would be inclined to participate in on all levels'.

Because you are all together, all together with your mates 'You win together, you lose together. If you are the best great, if you are not the best you will still get something out of those sports'.

And why is that Boro? Why are those people more inclined on all levels? I have told you why, because in those sports, that were nowhere 200 years ago 'They were nowhere 200 years ago, because they were just leisure activities. They were games Boro, that people played'.

After the industrial revolution in the western world, people had the ability to pursue more activities in their leisure time 'And that was when modern day sports as we know it started to really develop' Team sports started to become a vocal point in society, people were all in it together.

Before this point in modern westernize history, the only sports that people could participate in were Prize fighting, or a collection of past times 'Past times are sports such as Track and field athletics'.

And most of the time people only participated in those sports to survive, or because there was some sort of fascination and fixation with man tracking mankind's exploration of physical reality. Who's the fastest man in the World, who can jump the highest, who can swim this distance the fastest, who is going to win this endurance event within this discipline? Who is the strongest man in the world? It is just a point of interest instinctively for man, and it is still this way'.

When Dorian Yates won the Mr Olympia title 'He made the statement that he had in his opinion, concurred physical reality'.

The reason why they have been of such interest is because 'On a primordial level within man, the only things that matter in nature are. Can you fight, and have fast can you run, are you a great athlete'.

Because it is those two attributes Boro, that throughout the history of mankind have helped us survive when push comes to shove.

And in nature, the best people or participants close to the best are rewarded 'Those are the beings that are rewarded'. It can be sad, but at the same time inspiring.

In theological, and some socio spiritual domains 'Man has been advised to follow the narrow path, for a broad road is one that leads to destruction'.

“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it'.

Note: Nature is niche, the game is niche 'Greatness is niche. Certain aspects of society, activities reflect this fundamental level of life'. In fact all sports do, it is just that from my observation the mainstream sports try to get away from this, that is what makes them more inclusive and there is nothing wrong with that etc.

[Boro]

I made this point in response to you saying 'Blah blah, all the best most toughest men are all doing other sports' What like basketball and NFL? You came up in this thread spouting a cliche observation which was not created by you to discredit this generation of boxers.

All I told you in this thread, was to stop seeking the validation from people who? Don't really have any in-depth passions in life, people may be into sports but superficially 'You are seeking their validation, if you was not? Then you would not be complaining over boxing being a niche sport'.

I didn't mention toughness YOU DID and I simply responded to your assertion, I only mentioned SIZE like I said you're arguing against points I didn't even make.

Why on earth are you mentioning Tyson as an ATG his best wins are an ancient Holmes, LHW Spinks or a never was Ruddock and his run in the 80s was full of junkies, the rose tinted glasses are unreal.

Any half decent heavyweights he fought he lost to, that isn't greatness.

Lennox is far superior to Tyson but doesn't get a quarter of the recognition or even the recognition he deserves because casuals don't appreciate his ability and overhype Mike.

No one is seeking validation for the untempt time and I'm certainly not complaining, I'm stating the reality of the current state of boxing.

If that constitutes complaining in your warped sense of reality then fair enough but for the average person stating the truth simply does not equate to complaining and the seeking of validation...

People play Football,Basketball,NFL to "survive" it's no different to combat sports other than the reliance on a team vs self, stop trying to make a simple "argument" into a philosophical debate, it isn't that deep.

And lastly no one cares about a juice head like Dorian Yates, he didn't "concur the psychical reality of humans" he cheated it, it was an awful example of people trying to forward the human endeavour.

The human experience has been pushed forward almost entirely due to intellect and adaptability rather than physical prowess so I REALLY can't understand why you made this argument.

[juggernaut666]

I didn't mention toughness YOU DID and I simply responded to your assertion, I only mentioned SIZE like I said you're arguing against points I didn't even make.

Why on earth are you mentioning Tyson as an ATG his best wins are an ancient Holmes, LHW Spinks or a never was Ruddock and his run in the 80s was full of junkies, the rose tinted glasses are unreal.

Any half decent heavyweights he fought he lost to, that isn't greatness.

Lennox is far superior to Tyson but doesn't get a quarter of the recognition or even the recognition he deserves because casuals don't appreciate his ability and overhype Mike.

No one is seeking validation for the untempt time and I'm certainly not complaining, I'm stating the reality of the current state of boxing.

If that constitutes complaining in your warped sense of reality then fair enough but for the average person stating the truth simply does not equate to complaining and the seeking of validation...

People play Football,Basketball,NFL to "survive" it's no different to combat sports other than the reliance on a team vs self, stop trying to make a simple "argument" into a philosophical debate, it isn't that deep.

And lastly no one cares about a juice head like Dorian Yates, he didn't "concur the psychical reality of humans" he cheated it, it was an awful example of people trying to forward the human endeavour.

The human experience has been pushed forward almost entirely due to intellect and adaptability rather than physical prowess so I REALLY can't understand why you made this argument.

Any attempt to win this debate was lost right here .

( it's no different to combat sports )


As the famous saying you don’t play boxing , there’s combat sports then the sports you play .


And Mike not being tough was a good laugh , he took about 200 power shots from Lewis before finally going down .

[Boro]

Any attempt to win this debate was lost right here .

( it's no different to combat sports )


As the famous saying you don’t play boxing , there’s combat sports then the sports you play .


And Mike not being tough was a good laugh , he took about 200 power shots from Lewis before finally going down .

No Implied you "play boxing", you're disregarding all context from multiple back and forth posts and even the posts it self when i'm clearly just referencing "getting out/survival" in response to him.

Yes and then he mentally capitulated (he could've easily got up against Lewis) just like he did against Holyfield are you retárded or something, toughness is not just about physicality.

He also looked to quit by getting himself disqualified against Holyfield.

[greeneye99]

Sounds more like a problem to me , but we'll see , I'm surprised that Derrick is okay with this.....as I say we'll see.

Hey
Question
Did You actually see?
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[greeneye99]

I was gonna do that anyway

How much $$$ did you lose?
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