Naoya Inoue Is The Best Fighter In Boxing.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

I agree

you can only give credit for the fight as it was when it was signed and this was seen as the two best Welterweights of this era and there wasnt some overwheming majority picking one over another.

Has Spence been affected by the crash or weight? It's possible, but he's also beaten Garcia and Ugas after the crash, theyre solid enough fighters and beat Garcia easier than anybody has.

That's the problem with boxing, everyone wants to go back and change the narrative after the fight.

It's like Calzaghe and Jeff Lacy. he put an absolute beating on him and then everyone started saying Lacy was never that good anyway, maybe he wasn't or maybe Calzaghe ruined him, but that's irrelevant because there was a hell of a lot of people picking Lacy to win. I think it's cowardly to backtrack like that.

Completely agree. You hit the nail on the head- Far too many posters change the narrative post fight.

[hugh grant]

Spence is a far better win than anything on Inoue’s resume. He was universally ranked top 10 P4P by Ring, TBRB, ESPN etc. Likely still is.

You say spence is better on paper than anyone on paper, that inou e fought, and in theory that can be true, spence whether deserving or not was a pf p fighter, doubt he is now though. Spence has struggled to beat people in his own division so he's unlikely to be deserving of such pfp status. So even though spence was deserving of being considered no1 at WW, he wasn't a dominant champion, rather best in weak division, so not really a pf p fighter.

And people can use hindsight and reassess, that is actually the best way, because lots are overrated in first place. Jeff lacy was favourite against calzaghe, but did calzaghe get credit for a great win? People thought nelo would best bivol? So even Nell wasn't as good as people thought he was, just like spence wasnt.
I'm not going to mention spence car accident, as anyone can judge and see spence weren't right that night, he was off.
Bud can and I'm sure will beat Tim tszue then we can debate

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You say spence is better on paper than anyone on paper, that inou e fought, and in theory that can be true, spence whether deserving or not was a pf p fighter, doubt he is now though. Spence has struggled to beat people in his own division so he's unlikely to be deserving of such pfp status. So even though spence was deserving of being considered no1 at WW, he wasn't a dominant champion, rather best in weak division.
And people can use hindsight and reassess, that is actually the best way, because lots are overrated in first place. I'm not going to mention spence car accident, as anyone can judge and see spence weren't right that night, he was off.
Bud can and I'm sure will beat Tim tszue then we can debate

How wasn’t he a dominant champion?

IBF- Stopped Brook on the road in Sheffield.
WBC- Dropped and decisioned Porter in a close/competitive fight.
WBA. Stopped Ugas.

Also stopped Peterson and Ocampo and won wide decisions over both Mikey and Danny Garcia in his title defences.

How isn’t that being a dominant champion?

[BenjaminLinus]

Completely agree. You hit the nail on the head- Far too many posters change the narrative post fight.

Jose Benavidez, Shawn Porter, Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Ejidijius Kava, David Avy — these guys all did better than Spence.

Spence was a goddamn corpse and looked like a cancer patient during his ring walk.

[BenjaminLinus]

How wasn’t he a dominant champion?

IBF- Stopped Brook on the road in Sheffield.
WBC- Dropped and decisioned Porter in a close/competitive fight.
WBA. Stopped Ugas.

Also stopped Peterson and Ocampo and won wide decisions over both Mikey and Danny Garcia in his title defences.

How isn’t that being a dominant champion?

Mikey was a lightweight. Lol.

Peterson was bum.

Went life and death with Porter.

Ocampo absolutely sucks.

Danny was had no success at 147.

Ugas was beaten up by an ancient Pac in his fight before.

Brook was a good win.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Jose Benavidez, Shawn Porter, Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Ejidijius Kava, David Avy — these guys all did better than Spence.

Spence was a goddamn corpse and looked like a cancer patient during his ring walk.

Nobody was saying that before the fight. Please link us to your post telling us how bad Spence looked pre-fight…

[Des]

1a/1b situation with Bud. Shakur calling Inoue out is crazy to me. 3 weight divisions above him. Shakur has got to worry about all the Teos, Haneys, Tanks, wtc floating around. No reason for him to go after Inoue.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Mikey was a lightweight. Lol.

Peterson was bum.

Went life and death with Porter.

Ocampo absolutely sucks.

Danny was had no success at 147.

Ugas was beaten up by an ancient Pac in his fight before.

Brook was a good win.

All but 1 were former/active World Champions. 4 of the 7 were former/active Welterweight Champions.

You continue on with your BS narrative though.

[hugh grant]

How wasn’t he a dominant champion?

IBF- Stopped Brook on the road in Sheffield.
WBC- Dropped and decisioned Porter in a close/competitive fight.
WBA. Stopped Ugas.

Also stopped Peterson and Ocampo and won wide decisions over both Mikey and Danny Garcia in his title defences.

How isn’t that being a dominant champion?

Look, lacy was favourite against calzaghe, but does calzaghe get credit for a great win? Nel o was favourite against bivol, but Nell weren't as good as we thought, and bivo l was better than we thought. We get things wrong, so we can use hindsight and reassess after fight.
We can rewatch Stephen Fulton v inoue 100 times and spence v bud 100 times and come to a new conclusion

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Look, lacy was favourite against calzaghe, but does calzaghe get credit for a great win? Nel o was favourite against bivol, but Nell weren't as good as we thought, and bivo l was better than we thought. We get things wrong, so we can use hindsight and reassess after fight.
We can rewatch Stephen Fulton v inoue 100 times and spence v bud 100 times and come to a new conclusion

Of course they get credit. People often change their narrative based on the result, instead of just giving the winner the credit they deserve.

Errol Spence was a great win for Crawford, he was undefeated world champion who looked great against Ugas in his previous fight.